Jordan Peele: "I'm not going to cast white males in leads. I've seen that movie before." - General Discussion Discussion

[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

Jesus Christ I still can't believe the reaction to this - that saying "I've seen White leads before" is apparently the most racist thing ever. It is sickeningly disingenuous and snowflakely, and quite dangerous in relation to artistic expression.

Anyway the context that those shrieking "I can't say this because I would be racist" ignore is that Peele wants to focus on films about African Americans - so he can't see himself casting a Black lead. He's seen films with White leads (which is the majority), and wants to do his own film different and focus on the minority experience. That's called diversity.

Peele is not the only director in America for God sake. Arguing that he's discriminating and marginalizing Whites by wanting to tell Black stories is pure skinheadness - no different to arguing that every Black actor in Hollywood is stealing a job from a White or that every Black person employed somewhere is stealing a job from a White. This is just insane. Ten, twenty or even thirty years ago, people would have been ashamed to make such arguments in public.

By the way the media should be ashamed of themselves for taking one quote and using it as clickbait to stir up division - like there isn't enough. Absolutely pathetic.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

No, you're the disingenuous one because no-one is, and no-one can (and indeed, no-one should), compel Jordan Peele to cast white leads if he doesn't want to (save for interfering studio execs, which I trust no-one here is), but by confining himself to a strict edict, 'no white male leads', he is arguably limiting his own creative capacity.

What if, for instance, a really great story comes to him featuring a KKK member or a white supremacist President as its lead? Is he going to dismiss it out of hand because it doesn't fit his self-limiting set of rules? He might be hampering his capacity to tell certain stories that touch upon the very themes he's interested in. Unlike Spike Lee, who made Summer of Sam, 25th Hour and Old Boy, which featured Latino and white leads, he's also potentially pigeonholing himself.

Also, couldn't Peele have said exactly the same thing, but in a more positive and inclusive, and less clickbaity, manner if he'd said 'I'm going to cast black leads in my films because we haven't seen enough stories featuring black leads', instead of framing it in a exclusionary way?

How would it have changed the substance of his argument to frame it in an inclusive, rather than exclusive, manner? Actually, I think I know, and in a funny way you've already answered this question...it wouldn't have been as clickbaity or as potentially controversial to do so. But clickbait and controversy is what the media, and indeed artists like Peele and Brie Larson, want, because clickbait and controversy sells and ensures people are still talking about you.

So, to that degree, I must commend Peele for his shrewdness.

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

He did not issue a strict edict. He did not say "I will never cast a White lead". He said "I can't see himself casting a White lead" in the context that he's future projects and interests will not involve a White lead. The overall interview provides context to where he's coming from. Anyone with more than half a brain can see where he's coming from. How much does he have to sugarcoat his statements to not trigger all the White extremist snowflakes out there who feel emboldened to bitch and moan?

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

By using such hyperbole and calling regular people 'white extremist snowflakes' the risk is that you push regular people to become 'white extremist snowflakes'. Stop dividing people, and focus instead on eradicating racism.

Sometimes I wonder if people like you are more interested in signalling your virtue and stigmatising others, than you are in actually getting rid of the white supremacy and genuine racism you purport to hate.

Personally, I'm less interested in displaying my 'superior virtue', and more interested in aiming for a society in which no-one is a racist. I guess the problem for people like you is that you'd no longer be able to display your superiority in such a society. What a shame...

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

I really couldn't care less if you think I'm alienating extremists by calling them extremists. There's nothing to change their mind, and they are the majority who feign offence over this. They want to be offended over this since it doesn't take much energy at all to read the article and understand where Peele is coming from. Anyone with a even bare minimum understanding of films and history wouldn't be offended by the quote itself. Wanting to see more Black leads or woman leads or gay leads is not discrimination.

It says more about you than me that you can't even appreciate anything that I've said above - despite your claims of support for Peele -and instead want to accuse me of being a "virtue signaller". I'm not here to be hero and I never expect many here to agree with me. I'm just telling it like it is because I'm absolutely sick and tired over having to see everyone's pathetic, triggered response towards an inoffensive remark everywhere I go.

Yeah I really want racism to live on even though I've been subjected to racism and homophobia all my life you pretentious twit...Yeah I never want to be accepted by everyone... You're so on the ball...

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I don't care about extremists either. I care about the non-extremists you're stigmatising as extremists who may be inclined to say 'to hell with you' and then potentially move to extremism.

Even in this very argument, you're pushing otherwise reasonable people into a corner. If you know anything about psychology and cognitive dissonance, you'd realise how self-defeating that is (assuming you do, as you say, care about eradicating racism).

By the way, if the OP is wrong and Jordan Peele did not say "I'm not going to cast white males in leads. I've seen that movie before", surely that's the first thing you should call him out on. If Peele merely said 'I can't see myself casting a white lead' that makes a hell of a difference to what the OP (mis?)quoted, because you'd be right and it wouldn't then be an edict.

Not that I suppose it will make any difference, but I'm sorry for causing offence, especially if you have been the victim of racism and homophobia.

For what it's worth, I do celebrate Peele's casting and determination to make films featuring a greater diversity of leads. But I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Peele should be open to potentially casting white men as leads, because I do maintain that it would be creatively stifling to have a rule of any sort that said 'no white male leads'. And whilst I agree with you that some people are unreasonably making too big a thing out of Peele's statement, I would argue that people aren't wholly defined by race. No two black people are alike, just as no two white people are alike, and so on.

Greater black and/or female leads is a necessity. I've made that clear from the start, but at the risk of sounding picky, I don't strictly agree with Peele when he suggests that because we've already seen many, many films with white male leads that means we've seen every type of story that could possibly feature a white male lead. The implication is that white men are a homogenous group.

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

Extremists are already mentally there and will look for any trigger regardless. Treating lies with kid gloves, and not calling things out for what they are is a big reason for why we're here now. Platforming extremists and calling their warped vision of reality 50/50 (as if it's now another normal side of debate) has contributed to extremism - not people correctly pointing out what extremism is and calling out those who shriek that diversity marginalises Whites.

I did point out in my first post that Peele only said he can't see himself casting a White lead (although it wasn't the first thing I pointed out), and I flatly pointed out that it was a misquote in my second post.

Peele as a storyteller is under no obligation to make sure that every White story is heard lest he be stifling himself. A storyteller/filmmaker isn't required to tell every story out there and cater to every perspective. At present, Peele wants to focus his work on the African American experience through the eyes of Black characters and allow more roles for Black actors, so he can't see himself casting a White lead.
As an artist, he's not under an obligation to say yes to a story from a White perspective despite wanting to focus on the African American experience. If we were to say he was being exclusionary and limited (and really this is just all the same argument again) then so Blaxplotation genre and African-American literary greats who concentrated on Black history were also being exclusionary.

The field is supposed to be diverse. With diversity, artists have the opportunity to reprensent themselves and their ethnicity. Diversity does not mean that every artist has to reprensent every ethnicity.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

No offence, but I think you're missing my point.

I'm not saying Peele has an obligation to tell white stories. Not in the least.

My argument is that he is entitled to tell whichever stories from whichever perspectives featuring whichever leads he likes. But I hope he doesn't feel obliged to keep to a personal dictat, even if it's for the best of reasons, because it might potentially stifle his own choices as a creative.

As a black filmmakers, it stands to reason that he'd be more inclined to tell 'black stories', just as white filmmakers tend on balance to tell 'white stories', but as I've pointed out, even the most significant and personal of black filmmakers, like Spike Lee, have occasionally told stories featuring white leads. Spike Lee and Jordan Peele are in no way obliged to do so, but it would be unwise to rule it out entirely.

As for extremists, there may be a lot of silliness on this board, particularly from people making too big a thing over Peele's comments, but do you honestly think the majority of people here are 'extremists'?

Of course we shouldn't pander to actual extremists, but it can be potentially harmful to label non-extremists as 'extremists' because it runs the risk of pushing them in that direction.

That's not to say that you should be complacent or accepting of stupid and misinformed statements, but I do think it's better to reserve labels like 'extremists', 'racists' and 'misogynists' for actual extremists, racists and misogynists, rather than unnecessarily anger and alienate people who are merely displaying stupidity and a lack of information.

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

There was no implication that he sees Whites as homogeneous. He expressed that he wants something different to what sees, and that's focusing on the African American experience. You seem to almost grasp this before taking a step back - like you want to be moderate and call 50/50 when it's absolutely not called for.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I see what you're saying, and admittedly there are instances in which the 'both sides' argument does not and should not apply.

For what it's worth, I don't think Peele is consciously saying 'white people are a homogenous group' at all. But I do think that if one takes the statement 'I've seen that movie before [in relation to films featuring white leads]' at face-value, there is arguably an (unintended) implication that if you've seen one movie featuring a white lead, you've seen them all.

Once again, I concede that I'm being over picky and even pedantic here, but I can still see why some people have taken offence. I think they're wrong to, but I don't necessarily think they're being mendacious, disingenuous or racist. Maybe they're not thinking intelligently, perhaps one could even accuse them of being stupid, but I do see how, taken at face-value, those words might cause some people to take genuine umbrage.

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

But you're hoping that Peele doesn't feel obliged to continue telling minority stories leaves him in what position? That he would eventually have to say yes to a White lead out of obligation. As I mentioned, throughout history artists have focused their work on what they can relate to and their own cultural experiences. Diversity means they're free to tell their own stories.

If someone can turn to extremism and racism by being labeled as such then they were already there. Although I know where you're coming from. I wasn't trying to make out that everyone who took exception to Peele's remarks here is an extremist - but those that took the most virulent opposition - equating his full remarks and diversity with outright racism have issues. These are the same people, like those at the far right Daily Wire, who shriek "politcial correctness" over any discussion over lack of diversity and Whites playing minorities. Now of course they're triggered over diversity in the free market like the racists that they are.

You and I have seen films with White leads before. That doesn't automatically imply that we think they're all the same. Peele has also seen films with White Leads before, and wants to focus on his cultural experience in a diverse society. His position is as clear as day. In these times, even with facts at their disposal, partisans still craft their own reality to suit their narrative. That's what's happened here. You understand how they crafted their own reality which is completely wrong, but it still doesn't make it 50/50.

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[–] TexasJack (12515) 5 years ago

In my experience, when it takes this many words to make a case, it’s usually a very weak case.

I also appreciate the irony of calling the practice of specifically excluding a group of people based on race “diversity”.

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

I suggest you get some wider experience if you think that lame Twitter like soundbites and ignoring context makes a stronger argument than addressing each point.

You haven't come up with any counter argument and have relied on soundbites. By your own logic, anyone who wants to tell a story about minorities is excluding everyone else 🤣

Did you have an issue with the under reprensentatiom of minorities in Hollywood or were you one of those who dismissed concerns as "politcial correctness". The real irony is that those same people are now shrieking "exclusion" over their belief a Black man is under reprensenting Whites. Very pathetic.

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[–] TexasJack (12515) 5 years ago

I see no argument from you to counter; I see word salad obfuscating the essential fact of Peele’s statement— it’s racist.

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

I see that you're used to being in a bubble of your own arrogance and are are unable to comprehend any other viewpoint. Fine. Go call up the ACLU and report Peele for wanting to tell stories about African Americans, snowflake.

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[–] samoanjoes (52986) 5 years ago

Did you even read everything I wrote?

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 5 years ago

Yeah I read what you said and you've misquoted and taken everything out of context. He's not planning to show White lead actors the door because they wouldn't be auditioning for him in the first place. With the majority of films featuring White leads, Peele wants to tell stories about African Americans and their persceptive. That's called diversity. Is the Blaxplotation genre offensive to Whites now?
If the majority of films were about gays and their persceptive, and a director said he wanted to tell a story about a straight person, that wouldn't be offensive either.
It's all context just like everything else in the world.

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[–] samoanjoes (52986) 5 years ago

The problem is that he's limiting himself by not casting whites, when they're the majority of the population of the US. And like I said in my original post, white people can be gay, have disabilities and so on but they won't get a role in a Jordan Peele film just for being white.

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[–] ctwdidswej (212) 5 years ago

How come there aren't any liberal intellectuals like Bill Nye explaining to him that race is a myth and doesn't really exist?

Normal people, as we've seen in this thread, don't care that a black director is making black movies. It's expected. It's his perspective. He understands blacks, feels comfortable around them, whatever. Why couldn't he say that? Instead he lies. He says he's making black movies because there are enough white movies. Are we supposed to believe that if there weren't any white movies that he would be making white movies? No of course not. He'd still be making black movies. Nobody buys that. It's a lie.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Whether it's a lie or not, he should tell whichever stories he wants to tell.

What he arguably shouldn't be doing is artistically limiting himself simply to make a point, however commendable that point may seem.

If all the stories he wants to tell feature black leads, great. I for one welcome films like Get Out and Us partly because they do feel so fresh and offer different perspectives to the ones we too often see in cinema. But it strikes me as foolish to say 'I'll never cast a white male lead' because he may one day come up with, or come across, a compelling story that can, for whatever, artistic, reason, only be told with a white male lead.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

Yes it is. And it proves that he's stupid and racist. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

Amen.

It was a really stupid thing to say, and it proves he's a racist.

Of course, this does not surprise me, because blacks and the PC morons on the Left think it's okay for blacks
to be racist, but not whites. It's a double standard, and it is wrong.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (73589) 5 years ago

I'ts probably best to try to be our best selves, regardless of race...for Pete's sake, this all gets so boring
I really do think the guy had a 'dummy moment' and said a dopey thing
We all do need to attempt to accept each other and famous millionaires should certainly think before they speak

I know you get me Bud

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

It proves unfortunately, that he is stupid, AND a racist. Racism is WRONG, regardless of who is practicing or advocating it! Two wrongs do NOT make a right. I will therefore boycott all of his future films, and wish him nothing but bad luck. And I regret having seen two of them. Never again!

And BTW, F**k him!

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (73589) 5 years ago

I get the reaction, I see that lots of people are pissed off about his statement
It's not raining on my parade though
Get Out was really good so I'll continue to watch the guy's work...Whatever agenda he has inside his brain harms me not in the least, I really don't care and even understand up to a point

He's a black dude that wants to make films with mostly black casts...if I was a black director I might do the same thing

He probably should have kept this to himself so as not to annoy tons of ticket buyers but I have no issue with the guy or his sentiment to be honest

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

As usual, your response to the situation is measured and logical. And I respect your opinion as always.

On the other hand, I'm a wild and crazy guy, and I HATE stupidity, racism and hypocrisy! Therefore I am DONE with that f***ing racist, hypocritical idiot and all his future f***ing films!

F**k' him!

Strong post to follow.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

It's a shame that you and I ever fell out ShogunofYonkers, because once again I find myself mostly on the same page as you.

I don't fundamentally object to what Jordan Peele is saying or indeed doing, and in fact I welcome a greater diversity of lead characters in mainstream movies. It makes cinema more interesting and appealing to me, and preferable to seeing the same (white male) faces all the time.

But like you, I also wonder if this was something better left unsaid or phrased in a way that was less likely to provoke offence, real or contrived.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

Amen. If he had kept his stupid, racist, hypocritical mouth shut, there would be no problem. Just cause you think something doesn't mean you have to blab it to the entire world. Or if you do, you should phrase it carefully.

No matter. I'm DONE with this F***er, and all his future films. And I wish him all the bad luck in the world.

F**k him!

Strong post to follow.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

No offence MovieManCin2, since you've been so polite and supportive of my own posts, but I do think you're taking this a tad too far.

I don't think Jordan Peele is racist or stupid, although I do think that in this instance he could have phrased his otherwise reasonable intention better.

As for boycotting his films, I can't help but think you're the one losing out here. I for one will still be seeing Us this weekend, just as I saw, and enjoyed, Captain Marvel a week or so back, irrespective of Brie Larson's 'I don't need to know what a white man thinks of A Wrinkle in Time' comment.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

No offense taken, Malk. I understand and respect your opinion. However, I respectfully disagree, and stand by my decision. I believe that he revealed his true self (perhaps inadvertently) in that stupid statement. BTW, I've already seen Us.

And Brie Larson is an idiot.

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[–] ctwdidswej (212) 5 years ago

How would Jordan Peele not be more racist than the average person when it's more socially acceptable for him to dwell on racial thoughts and to develop ideas like these free of guilt?

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (73589) 5 years ago

We fell out and fell in again Malko, no harm no foul...
Peace✌️
Just a bit of racing and rubbing on that particular night, that is all
I'm cool with a cease fire

Yeah, he should have shut up with that stuff, even if he really feels that way

I don't care either way tbh, it's not like he attacked a 13 year old like Polanski!
Ok, he doesn't like white guys...I don't give a damn as long as his movies are
good

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I know you're joking, and it is funny, but I think we need to be clear, nothing he's said means 'he doesn't like white guys'.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (73589) 5 years ago

maybe he does tolerate white guys Malko, fair point
I just don't care either way
Watch his movies...yup
Hang out with him...no

All good here Malko, I think we agree on this one👍

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Fair enough Shogun.

Nothing to see here. Move along. 👍

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 5 years ago

🙄 Ridiculous statement.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Wow. I can't believe you are all tripping over this. It is completely natural for him to want to make films about black people.
I don't particularly want to watch movies with white male leads either, they've had the lead for a hundred years, it bores me.
When ever there is a thread about favorite movies, all your lists look the same,
they're all not only white male lead movies, but the entire cast is male! (small parts for 'the wife/girlfriend/hooker don't count. They are not real roles, they are tropes).

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

I understand and respect your opinion, but I am NOT tripping. I'm just reacting to his stupidity, racism and hypocrisy.
Racism is always WRONG, no matter who is spouting it. Two wrongs do NOT make a right. And he just revealed himself
as a racist. Therefore, I am done with him!

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I don't see it as stupid, or hypocritical or racist.
Clint Eastwood doesn't have to say 'I'm only casting white men in lead roles', it's a given.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

I respectfully disagree.

As to Clint Eastwood, he like Peele, is free to cast anyone he wants. But you cannot say that casting white guys is a given. You do not know that. That is simply your opinion. And Clint was never stupid enough to say what Peele said.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

so it's only stupid if you say it out loud?

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

No, it's still stupid, but we don't know about it. If he thinks it, he was smart enough not to say it. Peele was stupid enough to say it out loud. Racism is wrong, no matter who espouses it. Of course, he knows he can get away with racism, because he's black.

"Better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt."

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

No, it's still stupid, but we don't know about it. If he thinks it, he was smart enough not to say it. Peele was stupid enough to say it out loud. Racism is wrong, no matter who espouses it. Of course, he knows he can get away with racism, because he's black.

omg, where do I begin.
First, I really respect that we're keeping this civil.
But what you're describing is hypocrisy. And it's been going on for far too long.
Peele isn't being stupid, he's being honest, brave, righteous and fair.

as for the cutesy quote, sometimes true and it is funny, but there would be no point in open forums like MC if everyone were too afraid of being thought a fool, to open up and say something.

"He knows he can get away with racism because he's black"
1, what he said is not racism
2, if you were black, how would you feel about Mr. Whitey? no knee jerk reactions- really think about it.
3, if he is racist, and he certainly has reason to be, so yeah, I'm gonna accept that and he (they=African Americans), get a pass from me on that one.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

I too appreciate the civility. I don't get nasty until someone else does.

But OMG, where do I begin?

First of all what I described is NOT hypocrisy, it's Intelligence, and part of living in a Free Society. Nobody owes anybody their inner thoughts. That is straight from "1984" and the Thought Police. I know that some people on the Left are in favor of the Thought Police, though they call it being PC.

I will concede that he's being honest, but he's also being stupid, racist and hypocritical. Mere honesty does not excuse you from other verbal offenses.

And:

1. Yes, what he said IS racism. He's discriminating against people because of their skin color. You can't truthfully call that anything else but Racism, despite what happened in the past. Two wrongs do not make a right. What else would you call it? Are you excusing his racist statement because he's black?
If so, that's more Racism.

2. Asking me what I would think if I were black is an exercise in futility, because I cannot know that, just as a black person cannot know what it's like to be white. But if I had to answer that, I would say that I would probably be cautious in dealing with white people due to past history, but I certainly would give "Mr. Whitey" (more Racism) the benefit of the doubt and NOT stoop to Racism, like Peele.

3. And NO, nobody has a reason to be a Racist. You are free to give him a pass on this, but I will not. Racism is ALWAYS WRONG, regardless of who is espousing it.

And as for the "cutesy" quote, you might want to control your condescension, and pay attention to it. "Cutesy" or not, it's true, and a very wise thing to consider. And it's meant for folks in the real world, not here on a silly chat board. Folks here do not have the national platform which Peele has, so it's pretty much anything goes. That's what makes it so entertaining.

Bottom Line: I am DONE with Peele, and all his future films. And nothing you say can change my mind.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

i didn't mean to condescend. i am terrible at writing, talking, vocab, spelling, clarifying my thoughts, and all things internet.
i only said 'cutesy' because i couldn't remember the word for sayings,
homilies? maybe, i'm old and losing words. But i do remember you - you're Joe Cool, right? God i;ve had a shit day and don't want to make anymore enemies. so please be kind and rewind, xo laura

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

Okay. I'm glad you were not offended, because none was intended. And no, I've never considered myself Joe Cool. Where did you get that idea? Take care, have a good evening, and gets some sleep. You'll feel better in the morning.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

your emoji with the sunglasses=Joe Cool from Charlie Brown, must be another poster who uses the same one, we had talked once upon a time. nighty night.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

Oh my emoji! I guess you could call him "Joe Cool". Good night, and sleep well.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Why are we arguing about Clint Eastwood?

I don't like every film the guy has made (he's made a good few stinkers) and I don't agree with his politics, but as far as the charge 'Clint Eastwood only makes films featuring white male leads' goes, it's a complete non-starter.

The guy made Bird, Million Dollar Baby, Letters from Iowa Jima, The Changeling, and Invictus.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

I'm not arguing about Clint Eastwood. He's a great actor and director in my book, and a great American!

LauraGrace brought up his name, and I responded. And I agree that her charge of him only making films featuring white male leads is a complete non-starter with me also. And actually I think it's a stupid statement. And she seems to claim that she knows what's in his brain, which is absurd.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I don't want to be facetious here, but Clint Eastwood made, the brilliant, Million Dollar Baby, and The Changeling, featuring female leads, and Bird, and, Invictus, featuring black leads, as well as Letters from Iowa Jima, featuring an all Asian cast.

No offence LauraGrace, since I like and respect you, but your post reminds me of that time Elizabeth Banks inaccurately called out Steven 'The Color Purple' Spielberg for saying "and by the way, he’s never made a movie with a female lead."

I sometimes think people, like Banks, get so caught up in their own sense of wokeness and grievances that they lose sight of the actual facts.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

i just said the first random white guy that popped into my head.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Okay, fair enough. I'm not hauling you over the coals here.

But you probably could have come up with a better example (I don't know, Michael Bay?)

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

No offence LauraGrace,

I call BS.
We are not 'arguing' about Clint Eastwood, 'wokeness' , 'grievances'
'Lose sight of the actual facts'
Get the fuck out with that bs. See, this is what you do. We were not arguing.
You like to play point/counterpoint no matter what is being said.
It's annoying and exhausting.
You either support and empathize with Peele or you don't.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I'm not going to argue with you.

But with all due respect, it's not 'sexist' or 'patriarchal' or whatever BS some in the progressive community might claim, to rely on facts, or to argue logically and rationally.

And I do empathise with Peele. But I also empathise with those people who may feel slighted by what he says.

Neither side is 100% right in my humble opinion, but I understand their feelings and where they're coming from. But when it comes to empathy and understanding, I don't think you can pick and choose who you're going to empathise with and understand. Empathy and understanding applies to everyone.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

'I'm not going to argue with you", then you proceed to argue.
Then you infer that I'm not being logical or rational.
You say you empathize with Peele, BUT blah blah
In my humble opinion - you sir, are not humble
Empathy and understanding applies to everyone - sounds dangerously close to you accusing me of something.

I have really tried with you. You sucked me in and made me feel sorry for you.
But this game you're playing, I don't understand it.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I'm not sure how to answer, because I fear whatever I say will be wrong.

All I'll say is, I'm not playing a game. I don't play games.

Also, I didn't imply that you were illogical or irrational, but it seemed that my invocation of logic and facts was coming under attack.

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[–] samoanjoes (52986) 5 years ago

I don't care who the leads are in the films I watch, as long as they're good actors. But for me to say that I'm not going to watch a movie because of a specific race, is just ignorant on my part. I'm a white dude and I love Asian cinema, and I could not care less about a lack of diversity in those films. I would, however, if the directors came out and said they purposely were avoiding directing films with a race, that's where I have a problem.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 5 years ago

I agree. I go to see a film because I think it's going to be good. I don't give a damn about the race of the actors, the director, or anyone connected with the film

But when the director comes out and admits he's going to discriminate based on race, I have a BIG problem with it. Racism is always wrong, regardless of who espouses it. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

Therefore, I am DONE with Peele and all his future films.

😒

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 5 years ago

I have no problem with his wanting to make films about black people. That's totally fine. But to say he's going to avoid casting white males in leads because "I've seen that movie before" is ridiculous.

Cast whoever is best for the role.

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[–] samoanjoes (52986) 5 years ago

Yep. It really is that simple. It seems nowadays if you have five lead men in a movie, people will criticize that there are no women in it. Then if 3 of the 5 are women, people will complain that they're all white. Then if 4 out of 5 are not white, people will complain that they're all straight. People will always find something to complain about.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I don’t have a problem with it. He’s a black guy who tends to focus on black people in his stories.

I don’t have a problem with white writers who tend to write about white people either.

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[–] samoanjoes (52986) 5 years ago

Me too. It's's just hypocritical when Jordan Peele does it when he's calling other people out for subconsciously doing it.

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[–] Silverman (270) 5 years ago

Just like George rr Martin can make a world with mostly all white characters, Peele can make a movie with black leads if it suits the story he is trying to tell. These type of complaints are the exact same things sjw’s get so much shit for complaining about - just different colors.

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[–] samoanjoes (52986) 5 years ago

Exactly. I don't care that Jordan Peele is making movies with black casts the same way I don't care if a white director makes a movie with a white cast. What I care about is if they're actively being discriminatory through their own ignorance like Jordan Peele is doing.

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[–] Knish (1721) 5 years ago

Ugh, why does everything has to do with race with Peele. Is he the new Spike Lee? Does he also not understand that black people can be racist?

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[–] samoanjoes (52986) 5 years ago

The funny thing is he's mixed and has a white wife and he wants to claim that he feels the same oppression as people who are fully black. Why can't we just accept that we all have privileges one way or another and stop shaming people for theirs? Being black is not the same as being gay but they both face discrimination daily. Does it really matter who gets it worse?

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