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Without checking, which do you think are smarter - chimps or orangutans ?


Put your guess - then look it up and see if you were right, but don't tell.

https://primatezone.com/are-chimps-or-orangutans-smarter/

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I guess I'm not that smart, I assumed they were the same thing:)

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I don't think a chimp can do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA7InlgcxbU

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yeah, that pretty much seals the deal.

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The one that was a better actor than Clint Eastwood.

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Ha:) Every Which Way But Loose!
Good movie. A trained Orang named 'Manis' played 'Clyde.'

In the sequel Manis had grown too big so two other trained Orangs played the role of 'Clyde.'

Just looked it up now, there were allegations that the animal trainer was a nasty bastard towards some of the animals.

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Very interesting. Thanks for that 411, I had no idea they swamped apes.

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Did you know orangutan means ‘man of the forest’ in Indonesian (Linguistic Andy).

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I did not know that, interesting factoid.

I do know that if I picked any five of our largest regs to fight an Orang the Orangutan would rip us all apart, limb from limb.
They are super cute but seriously powerful creatures.

NOT a good pet!

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I went to the zoo in Jakarta and the orangutan took a dislike to me and started throwing poop at me. Several years later I took my daughter with me and damn it, he recognised me and threw poop at me again - my wife and daughter just laughed at me as I hid behind a tree.

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LOL!
Stay out of that zoo in Jakarta!

A Gorilla at The Bronx Zoo pelted me with acorns once. There were dozens of visitors looking down into the Gorilla pit but this big brute took a serious dislike to me. He had pretty good aim too, hit me repeatedly, I got the hell out of there:)

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Lol!

Another funny Jakarta zoo story - they have no health and safety in Indonesia. As we were walking along, there were thousands of massive spiders in the bushes either side of the path. Our guide says to me, “don’t get too close, one bite and you’ll be dead in under a minute.” I kept my distance.

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Evidently octopuses, many species form instant dislikes of certain individuals. If you offend a crow, they neither forgive nor forget. Fascinating. You should feel honored you attracted so much attention - any idea what might be particularly off-putting to the apes, did you ever wonder ?

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The zoo keeper told me to avoid eye contact, but it was too late and then the poop started flying, lol.

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Given the far more intricate social organization of the chimps, I'm sure they have capabilities in advance of the orangs in certain respects - perhaps in picking up social cues, social maneuvering, facial recognition. You may have noticed that orangs are vastly more chill - though don't fuck w/ them.

What orangs have, male or female, is a long & intimate & largely exclusive relation with their mother for their first 8 years or so - after, they more-or-less all have to figure it out on their own.

I could see why the more social chimps might have been guessed at - but they arent, seemingly, as observent/reflective/experimental/adaptive as the asian apes. Check out nyc's link if you haven't - its awesome.

The mere presence of asian apes, including the lesser ape the wonderful gibbon,is strong direct evidence of what is becoming a more widely accepted expectation, backed by the fossil evidence, that apes originated in Eurasia, not Africa.

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ORANGUATAN'S

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Probably chimps, since they are closer relatives to humans.

(I'm not afraid of giving the wrong answer, though.)

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I think that is the informed intuitive expectation, based upon parsimony by descent. Turns out, though, that orangs brains are significantly larger than chimps, though chimps have a far more intricate social organization than orangs. Orangs are better at paying attention, solving problems. The orangs evolved a more independent existence, which probably induced different cognitive selective challenges.

If you've ever seen one of these shows, its clear that orangs are quite social, at least while young.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5C3AAC1ED2488B19

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Orangutans do. Chimps are more primal and scare the living shit out of me

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Hundred times scarier. Kinda scary we're a few million years more closely related to them than the orangs. Explains a few things though, don't it ?

When we think of the origins of bipedality, though, we aren't like the chimps at all. Which means the knuckle-walking is an adaption the chimps, and all other great apes, made post our split with them. This somewhat counter-intuitive revelation has only become clear in the last few decades.

Humans in their walking more resemble the basal ape, the gibbon, than the later great apes. Resemble more the orang, than the gorilla/chimp/bonobo.

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