Biggest Fall?


If not the biggest, certainly very near the top. Here's a guy who tried to come off as a wholesome, family man with high moral values AND he scolded the black community like he was so much better than everyone. Yet, in the end it was all a facade.

Bill Cosby was nothing like what he represented. He's a pathetic "man" who preys on the weak, sexually assaults them, possibly/probably destroying a huge part of their lives..then he hops right back on his high horse once more.

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In the United States maybe...but one of the most bizzare and biggest i ever heard of was Jimmy Savile in England. A 60's music show host for Top of The Pops.(like American Band Stand) He was huge there and there were rumors about him for years and afrer he died in 2011 things exploded ..he had 100's of Victims from Children to seniors and and rumored with Cadavers as well. His fall from Grace was swift posthumously. Just a bizzare guy and I don't know what the Brits saw in him. The last thing he appeared in was Big Brother UK and it was apparent that he was worshipped watching his appearance on YouTube... Hers his wiki for the whole Bizzare Story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile

Also a documentary on YouTube.

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Seniors too? That I hadn't heard. Haven't yet read the Wiki entry, or seen the documentary.

Cosby is certainly the biggest fall from grace here in the States. What made it worse was his hypocrisy, touting family values and wholesomeness, while in reality drugging, raping, and sexually assaulting people.

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Yup seniors and according to wiki their were rumors of Cadavers as well. He has full access to a hospital and that included the morge.

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I'm having difficulty understanding his wide and longly held appeal. Granted I'm viewing this after the fact, but to me he has all the appeal of Howard Stern.

I've now watched the documentary on YouTube, and still don't get it. Can you shed any light here for me?

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No i can't. I thought he was a weird individual before before he died. Just his look at the way he acted. He wasn't here on us airways but I had known of him from shows like Entertainment tonight. The Brits loved him though

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My mistake, I thought you were British. I'm with you, his being held in such high regard is a mystery to me as well.

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I'm American and I',m with you,too...

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The cadaver rumors came about only because some of the seniors expired during the act and he decided to just keep on going.

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Supposedly Saville had free access to mortuary's and did have sex with corpses. One nurse said he bragged about oral sex with corpses, stealing their glass eyes to use as jewelry among other vile acts. If so, he was one of the craziest psychopaths ever!

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I agree with all you said.

But my question is: would it be more acceptable if he behaved like a thug and played bad guys and even rapists in his shows instead?

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Roscoe Arbuckle was a superstar in the 1910s and early 1920s, until he was falsely accused of a rape that led to the death of a woman. He was acquitted, but his career as a film star was over.

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He betrayed the trust of millions who thought of him as a hero.

Him coming off as a wholesome family man who is secretly a rapist is like someone who is homophobic when they are closeted gay or going on how pornography is bad when they secretly watch it.

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Maybe more like a serial killer who seems like the nice guy next door.

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Yeah that. Human projection is a strange trait that we have.

Due to people like Bill Cosby committing such heinous acts it makes you question who's genuine? Who can you trust? Who out there really has noble intentions and aren't just pretending to have noble intentions to hide their sinister nature? Who really cares about family values?

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That is the whole point of him to be wholesome and friendly celebrity to lure his victims. That is why guys like him --whether they are famous or not-- to be nice and friendly to lure the victims-- women and children-- to trap them.

However some want to be nice to lure their victims for murders or scams as well. They are not really that nice in real life--just a false face.

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They say never meet your heroes, they will always disappoint you. I remember reading imdb posts about Bill Cosby being a rapist years and years before Burress making the issue front page news. NY Times media writer David Carr remembered how strong of a personality Cosby was and Carr admitted he wrote a puff piece about him for Parade magazine even though he could have asked him tough questions about his past affairs.
Still, to have one of the most adored celebrities who we've known and loved for 5 or 6 decades turn out to be a serial sexual predator and rapist of dozens and dozens of young women is unbelievable. Bravo to the women who came forward and thanks to the many who worked on finally getting at least some justice. Cosby is in prison, he's not invincible after all.

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It's a crazy unfortunate sad situation that ruins his whole legacy.

You have people playing the race card, saying he's being accused and going to prison due to race which is bs because he's gotten away with sexual assaulting women for decades, if race would've out him in prison it would've done it many years ago, reason he's in prison now is that people got fed up with all the shit he's been doing and wanted to see him get punished, it took over 60 plus women for it to finally happen.

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The reason is people fed up with him because he was planning a comeback--a new TV series starring Bill Crosby as lovable father and grandfather-- and a new nice biography book on him came out before he can appear on TV again. That is when the whole mess came out.

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Also the 2010's was the decade his raping had stopped being an open secret and stopped being acceptable as seen with The Weinstein Effect.

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Actually, it was this 2006 People magazine article that was the beginning of the end for Cosby.
https://people.com/crime/bill-cosby-under-fire-peoples-original-story-about-sex-abuse-claims/

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It was a slow build up.

Since the millennium this kind of crap has stopped being acceptable because we're shifting culturally. As said before I think in Bill Cosby's day a lot of men treated women like that, it was pretty common for a man to hit a woman like in an old Bond movie.

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I don't think drugging and raping women was acceptable before the millennium. Cosby got away with his crimes because he was rich and powerful, plain and simple. Thankfully Hannibal Buress kept on doing his Cosby bit about these rape allegations, which eventually went viral and caused a media firestorm. More like a huge explosion than a slow build up.

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Imagine somebody who is very feminist/SJW is actually a rapist behind closed doors.

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I don't want to get into the politics of it all, someone earlier mentioned Fatty Arbuckle; but it's got to be Bill Cosby.

I remember reading some almanac like book many, many years ago (late 80's early 90's) in which people (maybe it was the Almanac??) were polled and Bill Cosby was second only to the Pope as the most recognized figure on the planet.

This would have been above Ronald Reagan at the time and I'm guessing before the 1990's emerged.

Yes, Bill Cosby's fall is among the greatest...

On a weird note, separating the horrors of it all...I never really liked "The Cosby Show" on NBC. It was a fun show, with a loud studio audience (which would be really, really cool now on primetime) but it was never all that great after season #3.

The pilot was/is infamous.

You might be able to catch it for free on Youtube or Hulu...not sure. It's worth a look just alone for nostalgic purposes.

I preferred, "Cosby" on CBS another show albeit a minor hit...but a hit nonetheless.

For those that remember, it was during that time frame (in it's 2nd seasons) that these so-called "innuendoes" started to surface into the news.

It's really a sad oddity of an otherwise great journey brought down by depravity, ego and evil...

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I gotta admit Fatty Arbuckle is close to the biggest fall. However, Fatty did gain back some acceptance and was about to make a comeback but died young. Mel Gibson? Another big fall but Mel's movies aren't banned, his blacklist is not all encompassing, and he's had at least some decent hits in Hacksaw Ridge, Expendables 3(the weakest of the 3), and Daddy's Home 2. Still, Mel is mostly irrelevant since his multiple meltdowns.
But Bill Cosby? You'd be hard pressed to find any repeats of his hit shows anywhere. He had I Spy in the 60's. Fat Albert in the 70's. The Cosby Show in the 80's. Cosby in the 90's-00's. I think maybe Hoopla shows a couple of seasons of Cosby, which makes you wonder what they're thinking. Other than that, Bill Cosby has been virtually wiped from the face of the earth.

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It's gotta be Cosby.

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It's a weird trait we have, you notice it's always people who say one thing and do another like Cosby was always about moral values when he's secretly drugging and raping women or somebody who is homophobic when they are closeted gay like a lot of religious leaders and politicians are or as you said serial killers and stalkers.

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He may have been a hypocrite but what he said about the black community was SPOT ON and backed up by statistics anyone can look up.

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I used to work with rapists at the exact prison he is at, but it was called SCI-Graterford back then.

If you study sex offenders, many of them believe they are somehow right. So, he might have been thinking, this girl knows why she's here, and so I can do XYZ because anyone with sense wouldn't be here alone with me. Then, all these people killing each other in Philly is insane, it's too much and has to stop.

All of that could come from the same person.

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Yeah but the black community doesn't need to be scolded by one of their own. Cosby turned out to be the most despicable hypocrite and he doesn't have many in the black community to support him. Bill Cosby is where he belongs..in prison.

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So who do they need to be scolded by because anyone that does is either branded racist or Uncle Tom....so I guess ignore the problem and just keep on killing each other.

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People seem to have forgotten about all the televangelists in the 80s-90s who fell from grace, such as Jim Baker.

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