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Devastating article debunking the Russia hysteria


The Nation recently published an article debunking much of the hysteria surrounding Mueller's indictments.

https://www.thenation.com/article/hyping-the-mueller-indictment/

Some of the more damming conclusions:

1. Russians spent less than $50,000 on Facebook ads before the 2016 election. Only a tiny number were targeted to battleground states and most of those were viewed less than a thousand times. Russian spending during the general election amounted to a whopping $300 in Pennsylvania and $823 in Michigan. Most of their spending was during the primaries, which Hillary handily won.

2. Mueller's indictments don't spell out any direct links to the Kremlin. The fact that these troll accounts were so amateurish and easily connected to the Internet Research Agency proves that they weren't state sponsored. In fact, critical details about the operation were revealed by a Russian publication last year. It is unfathomable that a professional operation would've been exposed so easily.

3. It is likely that commercial motives played a dominant role in the Russian Facebook operation. The fake accounts were used to share promotional material from US merchants for a fee of $25 - $50 per post.

4. According to a recent study, the U.S. has interfered in 81 elections since 1945 and spends tens of millions annually on influence operations inside Russia. Epic hypocrisy.

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On Thursday, during his annual address, Putin showed an animated concept video of their new nuclear weapons targeting Florida. Trump hasn't said a word about it. Putin basically just told the U.S. that his dick is bigger than Trump's and Trump's silence seems to confirm it. I'm speaking metaphorically of course.

Oh and as mentioned previously Trump also never implemented the sanctions against Russia that were overwhelmingly voted in by democrats and republicans....can't understand why people think he might be compromised. He's a fuckin joke and our country is becoming a world wide punchline. I'm ashamed to have him as my president and I only hope the same mistakes aren't repeated in 2020.

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Hahahahahaha, you conveniently failed to address any of the objective facts laid out in the article. Just a bunch of emotional hyperbole. Epic fail.

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That's because I don't give two shits about that article. And yes this has pushed me to the edge but it's not hyperbole. If you and the author of that article think paid ads were the only way Russia used social media in an attempt to influence our election than you are either willingly or unwillingly clueless (hint, it's free to create a profile, even a fake one for a non-existent person). Nothing in that article changes the fact that Trump is an embarrassment who is incapable of standing up to Russia but you'll still insist that our naked emperor is wearing beautiful clothes while the rest of us see his fat naked ass in all its grossness. You're so far into the Russian rabbit hole with Trump that sunlight is no longer reaching you and it's pointless trying to reason with you.

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More of the same fact-free nonsense. Thanks for proving my point.

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Whatever you say comrade (and I use that term solely to imply that you care more about defending Russia than you do the U.S. and not in the literal translation that you're my friend).

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Facts don't matter to the bitter left. They run on ignorant emotions.

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"On Thursday, during his annual address, Putin showed an animated concept video of their new nuclear weapons targeting Florida. Trump hasn't said a word about it."

He was way too busy doing more critical things - having a Twitter war with 'Alex' Baldwin. One thing about T-rump: he has his priorities straight.

So tired of Russian winning.

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US tax dollars hard at work keeping hundreds of people employed earning 6 figure salaries to investigate the at least $1,000 that Russia spent on propaganda to force people to vote for Trump

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It's not just about Russia's propaganda campaign though. If our sitting president has a deep financial connection to Russian oligarchs, that's a serious conflict of interest that would impeach any president before him. But the response from the right is always "look away, nothing to see here."

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No, everyone's looking directly at this conspiracy theory and asking "where is the proof?". Which Oligarchs are Trump in bed with. You're just throwing mud and hoping it sticks.

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Trump doesn't get to surround himself with criminals and then get to say there's no evidence after they get caught red handed. Also, investigations start with leads, not evidence. If the investigation started with evidence, the investigation would be over before it started and would go straight to court.

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Wrong. The FBI generally needs strong evidence to open an investigation. It isn't a simple matter of receiving a tip. That's why the Parkland shooter was never investigated.

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When the FBI finds leads, they follow them. No evidence is required. It's always been that way.

Now, many of those leads can sometimes qualify as weak evidence, such as witness testimony that corroborates other testimony. And when you break it down, the leads the the FBI has to work with, such as the Flynn and Manafort scandals, become evidence as the investigation goes on. Also, there are things like Trump's connection to Alfa Bank, and until that gets sorted out and explained by Trump, it is a lead leaning on the side of evidence of wrongdoing.

Remember, there was no evidence Hillary broke the law when they started the Benghazi investigation. And after years of it, all they found was her personal email server that they didn't even know about when the investigation began. So if you're gonna sit there and whine about a lack of evidence hoping it'll save Trump, don't hold your breath. They dragged her through the ringer over falsities. Meanwhile, Trump has real ties to money laundering through Alfa Bank. Will it impeach him? Probably not. But they aren't going for impeachment. They are trying to make him lose in the next election, just like what the Benghazi investigation was supposed to do to Hillary.

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LOL. There was ample evidence from the get-go that Hillary violated the law. Numerous Secret and Top Secret emails were found on a private server. Do you have any idea what a massive security breach that was?

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Numerous Secret and Top Secret emails were found on a private server.
You just proved exactly what I was talking about. The Benghazi investigation started over the false claim that Hillary issued a stand-down order. It wasn't until after the investigation started that they discovered her private email server.

A year later, her private email server was the investigation, and every republican forgot what Hillary's original sin was that started the whole thing... because it didn't exist.

Meanwhile, Trump has plenty of em. He surrounded himself with Manafort and Gates who are in deep water with Russian oligarchs, and were doing so while running Trump's campaign. That's what started this investigation. From the beginning it was about the link between Trump's campaign and Russia. Trump digests all of that and always shits out "it's not me, it's not me," but it doesn't matter if it's not him specifically who colluded with Russia. The investigation is about his presidential campaign and everyone involved who worked on his behalf.

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The FBI had nothing to do with the Benghazi investigation. They only got involved when it was discovered that she likely had classified material on a private server. The evidence was overwhelming at that point.

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The FBI began its investigation almost immediately after the Benghazi attack. Clinton's private email server wasn't an issue until February/March of 2015 in response to the Republican Committee's communication request of November of 2014.

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They were investigating Benghazi
as an act of terror. They weren't specifically investigating Clinton.

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This is what I wrote:
"there was no evidence Hillary broke the law when they started the Benghazi investigation."

You replied with:
"There was ample evidence from the get-go that Hillary violated the law."

Now you're admitting that, from the get-go:
"They weren't specifically investigating Clinton.

Except they were investigating things related to Clinton. They were investigating republican conspiracy theories involving the online film "the Innocence of Muslims" and a fictional stand-down order. There was no evidence that the law was violated, yet the investigation went on. Isn't that amazing? What sorcery must've taken place there, I wonder. Yet you claimed there was ample evidence from the get-go (your words) that Hillary violated the law. Where?

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I was talking about the FBI's investigation of her server. They had ample evidence of wrongdoing before opening an investigation into her server. The FBI's investigation of the Benghazi attack was based on the fact that it was a well documented terrorist attack. In both cases, they had massive evidence of wrongdoing before opening an investigation. Your argument is complete nonsense. Anything else?

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They had ample evidence of wrongdoing before opening an investigation into her server.
First, you said ample evidence of violating the law.

The evidence that got Hillary in trouble with the FBI were mismarked classified emails.

The existence of the private server was not evidence of mismarked classified emails.

The private server was a lead for the FBI to investigate her emails.

The FBI went in not looking for mismarked classified emails, but instead looking for evidence of a stand-down order or other negligence by Hillary during the Benghazi attack.

Instead, they found evidence of mismarked classified emails which had absolutely nothing to do with negligence during the Benghazi attack.

You are completely up your own ass here. Anything else?

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No they do not need strong evidence,that's the problem. The FISA courts grant warrents on 99.97% of all requests. So,since the 70's over 33,900 requests were made for warrents and only ELEVEN were denied. That is practically them rubber stamping every investigation with permission to move forward. That statistic should scare EVERY American, regardless of your political leanings. That is Big Brother shit right there. That is straight from the Stanford Law Review.

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I keep telling y'all, the republicans are in deep! They knew abt the collusion with Russia, they accepted Russian money and so did the NRA. Tramp is doing Putins dirty work, by slowly destroying what's left of our democratic republic. If and when Russia takes over this country, those gun nuts can kiss the SECOND AMENDMENT GOODBYE!

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Meanwhile, 4 indictments within the T-rump campaign / administration and three flipped witnesses pleading Guilty. In less than one year. Tax money well spent.

Starr spent millions of tax payer dollars, four years of investigations (1994-98) and came up with a stained dress.

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"Starr spent millions of tax payer dollars, four years of investigations (1994-98) and came up with a stained dress. "

Actually, he came up with an impeached president.

Despite your masturbational fantasies, this investigation won't come close to anything like that.

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An impeached President that was found not guilty of both obstruction and perjury by the Senate. You won't see this message though because you blocked me for previously trying to explain to you that Bill Clinton was not convicted of a felony and unable to deal with actual facts you choose to block people.

Time will tell where the Trump investigation will lead.

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"Actually, he came up with an impeached president."



But impeached for lying under oath. It had nothing to do with the WhiteWater investigation started in 1994, or anything to do with being President. He lied about his private extramarital affair. He wasn't like T-rump and today's Republicans calling the media 'fake news' or threatening to fire Starr.

So if Clinton got into trouble for that, can you imagine what Mueller is working on with T-rump? Damn!

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"He lied about his private extramarital affair."

He committed a crime. It's called perjury.

Mueller has nothing on Trump. If he did, he would have leaked it by now.

"can you imagine what Mueller is working on with T-rump?"

You have to imagine, because there's nothing there.

Keep jerking and fantasizing.

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"Mueller has nothing on Trump. If he did, he would have leaked it by now."

If it took four years for Starr to come up with a stained blued dress, then Mueller has 3+ years to go.

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"If it took four years for Starr to come up with a stained blued dress, then Mueller has 3+ years to go. "

Sounds like you're holding out hope that Trump commits a crime during the investigation, because you know damn well the Russian collusion didn't happen.

Hahahahahaha!

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No, what I'm saying is give Mueller four years like the Republicans gave Starr four years (only to find Clinton had an extramarital affair). What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Republicans knew there was nothing at all to 'WhiteWater' yet they wasted taxpayer's millions of dollars (for four years!) and all Starr came up with was a stained blue dress.

Mueller has not even been investigating T-rump for a year, and he's flipping T-rump's inner circle like pancakes, and has had dozens of indictments. I'm guessing he may be finished before the 4 year mark is up - but let's be fair and give him four years. God knows what he'll find.

And if I were T-rump, I would pray for collusion. Money laundering and obstruction of justice is far more serious, but that't the road it seems to be taking....isn't it?

Hahahahahaha!

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No, what you're getting is an investigation into the investigation, which is looking more and more like it was based on false evidence from the beginning.

In the end, the Democrats will be exposed for the liars they are.

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"No, what you're getting is an investigation into the investigation, which is looking more and more like it was based on false evidence from the beginning. "

Yes, that is exactly what Ken Starr did from 1994-98. Started with "White Water" and ended up with a stain on a blue dress. Cost taxpayers millions of dollars...for what? To show he had an affair* with Monica Lewinsky?

*That's when extramarital affairs meant something to the Republican "Family Values" Party and the Evangelical base. 20 years later, with T-rump in office, they don't care.

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By the way dust off your history book and read up on Clinton.

Clinton was found not guilty by the Senate for both the charge of obstruction and perjury and that he was never convicted of any crime.

He did agree to an order of discipline from the BAR which resulted in his law license being suspended but he was never convicted.

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Clinton accepted a plea bargain to avoid further prosecution.

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Dust off your Mr. History book once again, please...

You keep insisting that because he accepted a plea bargain that Clinton in fact pled guilty to perjury which simply wasn't the case as what happened wasn't even technically a plea bargain. The D.A. opted not to file criminal charges against Clinton and in exchange Bill Clinton agreed to a suspension of his law license and a fine. This was a civil resolution, not a criminal one as no charges were filed and thus no guilty plea entered.

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Charges don't have to be filed for a plea bargain, dumbass.

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/are-plea-bargains-made-before-or-after-indictment--1543845.html

A negotiated plea agreement can be made at anytime. As a matter of fact, I have negotiated deals prior to a warrant being issued. It just depends on whether the prosecutor has all of the state's evidence prior to negotiating. Most prosecutor's want all police reports, scientific reports, etc. prior to making an educated offer to a defense attorney. There is no set process. It may be better if a negotiation occurs prior to indictment, because if a case is indicted as a felony, it is more difficult to get the felony reduced after an indictment than it is before an indictment takes place.


The prosecutor agreed to stop the prosecution if Clinton agreed to the terms. That's a plea bargain.

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Which brings us back to the fact that what Bill Clinton agreed to was an order of discipline from the Bar Association, not a plea bargain. Charges were never filed because it wasn't technically a plea bargain. Please provide one source that shows that Bill Clinton pled guilty to any crime. If that were the case that would be the easiest thing in the world to find but you can't do it because it never happened.

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This is the same argument I had with him months ago. Snags insists that because he accepted a plea bargain that Clinton in fact pled guilty to perjury which simply wasn't the case as what happened wasn't even technically a plea baragain. The D.A. opted not to file criminal charges against Clinton and in exchange Bill Clinton agreed to a suspension of his law license and a fine. This was a civil resolution, not a criminal one as no charges were filed and thus no guilty plea entered.

I wouldn't waste your breath because Snags will go round and round with you until blocking you like he did me.

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Taken care of my friend, part 2!

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Haha if you finish the day not blocked by him I'll be amazed!

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Let Snags know that Clinton was found not guilty by the Senate for both the charge of obstruction and perjury and that he was never convicted of any crime.

He did agree to an order of discipline from the BAR which resulted in his law license being suspended but he was never convicted. I can't tell him because he has me blocked (over this very issue which really bothers him for some reason lol).

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Taken car of, my friend! LOL

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Haha excellent

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He blocked me on my first day here.

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He considers facts and logic to be the enemy.

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