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Serious question: Could this shutdown lead to Donald Trump's downfall?

posted 5 years ago by dteam6 (5073)
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Let me start off by saying that it's quite shocking to see the republican officials serving Trump clutching so tightly to his "no wall, no shutdown ending" tactics considering the amount of harm it's doing to our country. It's pure, sheer insanity, really.

However, there has been news that some republican officials are starting to turn on Trump regarding this issue and feel things have gone too far, even stating they would push back by voting for dem initiatives to reopen the government.

Furthermore, TSA employees are starting to quit, according to some news. CVS/AETNA case may be slowed down, fears of air traffic controllers striking are rising, DC's water bill cannot be paid and is accumulating an outstanding balance, trash overflowing all over the country's parks, 51% of Americans blame mostly Donald for the shutdown while only 33% blame mostly Democrats, etc.

Could this controversy actually cause the destruction of Donald's presidency?

I can see the dem tactic here: they are refusing to concede to Donald's demands because--let's face it--if they were to cave in to Donald's demands then it would encourage him to try pulling similar shutdown stunts in the future, thus helping him feel emboldened...like a dictator. They're hoping Donald will peter himself out in this fight. Plus, Donald did say initially that he would be proud to "own" this shutdown and he's now at a point where he SAID: "I won't open the government because you then won't give me what I want".

Donald is between a rock and a hard place here: on the one hand, he's accumulating a massively increased amount of hatred from those suffering because of his shutdown...on the other hand, his favorite network FOX is expecting him to hold firm. Either scenario is damaging the baby's ego.

Seems to me the only true solution here is for the dems to bide their time, hold out and wait for Donald's tactic to implode. It's the only way to truly depower him at this point. As stated--any concession to his wall demands at this point will only serve to embolden him to do it again in the future for the next thing he wants. He will then have all the power.

What do you think will happen next?

[–] Keelai (32705) 5 years ago

Why is Trump following advice from Fox commentators instead of government officials and advisors? That's a rhetorical question because he appears to be afraid of losing Fox's support.

I was also wondering if he believes Pelosi would be a pushover because she's a woman.

In answer to your question, my guess is that the Senate will be forced to reopen government because of their angry constituents and Trump's attempt to declare any emergency will fail

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

I hope so. Donald HAS to lose this fight. If he wins, it will only embolden him, his base, other republicans, and encourage him to do it again in the future.

[–] Keelai (32705) 5 years ago

I just remembered some of his governmental advisors/appointees are from Fox.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Why is Trump following advice from Fox commentators instead of government officials and advisors?

Because FOX TV is really T-rumpTV. They set his agenda, and then give him plenty of time and attention to say what a great President he is. So he goes to their chuckleheads for advice and guidance on policies (based on what FOX thinks is best for republicans), and in return they give him endless adoration and ego boosting. It's a win-win for both of them.

[–] TJLamb0518 (3316) 5 years ago

This will not lead to his downfall. His base will believe whatever he says.

[–] snepts (11123) 5 years ago

I'm hoping we are witnessing DJT's downfall in real time. If the USA is populated by bright, forward thinking people, we have to repudiate this idiot's reign. Government has a lot of problems, but at it with a chainsaw is not wise or sustainable. I can't imagine any educated populace taking the lead from faux spews, and this young generation of voters will not follow this charlatan and his kind.

[–] Neckk (342) 5 years ago

As if it were even possible, I think this game of political chicken will further divide and polarize the left and the right. To be frank, I understand both sides and both parties have very valid concerns and talking points.

But to directly answer your question, no. Purely anecdotal, but a lot of friends of mine and acquaintances on the right feel emboldened and quickened by The Pres' brash tactics (whatever they be) and doing whatever it takes to protect our southern border. While most of my close friends on the left are concerned and angered about workers losing money everyday this shutdown is in effect. Again, both sides have legit talking points and concerns.

Veering a little off topic here, but I think a good compromise would be for The Pres and the other top Democrats to try another televised sit-down and negotiate different ways to go about border security. Ok, some people don't want a wall. That's fine. What other ways are there to effectively protect our border? Unless those whom oppose the wall just simply want open borders, which would be detrimental to the United States in the long haul.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

The problem is that the dems did offer a bill that would fund/increase border security WITHOUT a wall but Donald shot it down, not even wanting to hear of it. He has adopted a "wall or no deal" stance and won't budge.

The wall is nonsense and it's blatantly obvious he wants it out of vanity as well as to appease his hardcore base.

They definitely need to sit down and devise a solution but how can they if Donald won't relent on that wall?

[–] Neckk (342) 5 years ago

dteam, you make very valid points and tell the truth. The Pres. has to be willing to put America first (as he claims he does) and reach a reasonable compromise. Personally, I think a wall would help, but it shouldn't be the go-to, end-all answer, as it wouldn't be. It's not worth this shut down, IMO. As much as I personally like The Pres, he needs to humble himself and be a lot more bendable regarding negotiations.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

The way I view it is this: a president negotiates. A king or dictator says: "My way or the highway" and Donald is definitely adopting that second stance.

I'd say the best compromise is $5.6 for increased border security that does NOT involve a wall but better technology. That seems fair.

[–] LordBAElish (2015) 5 years ago

For some reason DTJ is bullet proof. If the Dems run another poor candidate, Trump will easily get re-elected.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Donald is definitely NOT bullet proof and may damn well do himself in before it's all over but I DO agree that dems need to run a stronger candidate in the next election.

[–] Gd5150 (11305) 5 years ago

No. It’ll lead to up wall. And 4 more years. Any questions?

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Yes, I have one question: Whose sock are you? Bubba's? Thrillhouse's?

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

What happens next is he gets elected again in 2020. Mike Pence goes on to get elected in 2024 and 2028.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

LMAO!!! The only way Fat Donald gets elected again is if the democrats run another Hillary-level weak candidate (which I'll admit is possible). Mike stands 0% chance of ever being president and you're really showing your troll hide on that one.

[–] ultravioletx (10222) 5 years ago

I'm surprised steelhammer left out the part where Sarah Palin gets elected in 2032.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Or Barron in 40 years. Yes, I'v seen Trumpers suggest that.