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Remember when “ obstructing justice “ mattered most to Republicans?


Remember back in 1998, during Ken Starr’s investigation into Clinton, when obstructing Justice mattered most to Republicans? They went as far as impeachment because Clinton lied about a bj from his mistress?

Now they don’t care about obstructing Justice?

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If 2 years of unlimited resource investigations concludes that you didn't commit a crime, then what justice are you exactly obstructing?

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The investigation concluded he didn't commit one particular crime - colluding with Russia. 'Obstruction of Justice' is still on the table, and Republicans want to sweep it away, rather than investigate it further as they did with Clinton.

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Again, what justice was obstructed? There has to actually be a crime for him to obstruct

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The 'obstruction of justice' which Mueller said he couldn't exonerate him from.

Once Barr releases the report in full, and we get a chance to read it we will know what Mueller was referring to in his statement. When will Barr release the report in it's entirety?

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Incorrect.

Obstructing an INVESTIGATION is as bad as obstructing a crime.

Besides, you should have hoped there was a crime. Because if there wasn’t (as the Barr brief on the Mueller report indicates) then Trump firing Comey over Russia (as he said in his words) and his other intimidation tactics just make Trump look like a moron.

Well...more of a moron.

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Clinton's lie wasn't even directly connected to a criminal investigation. It was just some embarrassing aspect of his personal life.

Had Mueller done what he should have and questioned Trump under oath, I'm sure Trump would have perjured himself at some point. Lying is in his nature.

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Had Mueller done what he should have and questioned Trump under oath, I'm sure Trump would have perjured himself at some point. Lying is in his nature.


Indeed.

I doubt Ken Starr would've accepted 'written answers' by Clinton's lawyer in 1998, instead of Clinton testifying under oath. Republicans would have impeached him right then and there.

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Trump never obstructed justice tho

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We won't know until Barr releases the full report, since Mueller refuses to exonerate him from obstructing justice.

If T-rump never obstructed justice (as you say), then that would be in Mueller's report - spelled out clearly for all to read. Can't wait to see that from Mueller.

Until then - we don't know, and Republicans should join the rest of Americans, and have this as their highest priorities. They should be demanding the full report released from fellow Republican Bill Barr, and not settle for less.

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What will you do if there's nothing? Move on with egg on your face, or keep doubling down, looking like a fool?

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Let's see if there's nothing, first.

BTW, speaking of moving on with egg on your face:

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/jussie-smollett-charges-dropped-1203172619/

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You can read how shocked and disgusted people are that he won't be charged. OJ, Michael Jackson, R.Kelly, Jussie Smollett, list goes on..

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OJ, Michael Jackson, R.Kelly, Jussie Smollett, list goes on..


You forgot T-rump.

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Hillary

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Jared Kushner and Ivanka. And Donnie Diapers.

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If it means Trump and his band of racists get the time they deserve in the prison they deserve...throw her in. Small price to pay.

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That report was made public by the way...........

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Yes, indeed it was. In a very timely manner for everyone to read. Clinton had no say in keeping it from the public view.

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They are the master obstructionists

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I remember when building a wall on the southern border mattered most to D’rats...and it wasn’t nearly as long ago.

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Securing the southern border mattered most to Democrats, then T-rump decided he would do one better for RepubliKKKans:

"I'm going to build a big beautiful wall, because no one builds a wall like I do. And Mexico is going to pay for it. Mark my words - Mexico is going to pay for it."

BIG beautiful wall.

Mexico is going to pay for it.


Mexico.
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PAY.
For.
It.

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"You look at something like trade, for example. We live in an age of global supply chains, and cargo ships that crisscross oceans, and online commerce that can render borders obsolete. And a lot of folks have legitimate concerns with the way globalization has progressed -- that's one of the changes that's been taking place -- jobs shipped overseas, trade deals that sometimes put workers and businesses at a disadvantage. But the answer isn't to stop trading with other countries. In this global economy, that's not even possible. The answer is to do trade the right way, by negotiating with other countries so that they raise their labor standards and their environmental standards; and we make sure they don't impose unfair tariffs on American goods or steal American intellectual property. That's how we make sure that international rules are consistent with our values -- including human rights. And ultimately, that's how we help raise wages here in America. That's how we help our workers compete on a level playing field.

Building walls won't do that. (Applause.) It won't boost our economy, and it won't enhance our security either. Isolating or disparaging Muslims, suggesting that they should be treated differently when it comes to entering this country -- (applause) -- that is not just a betrayal of our values -- (applause) -- that's not just a betrayal of who we are, it would alienate the very communities at home and abroad who are our most important partners in the fight against violent extremism. Suggesting that we can build an endless wall along our borders, and blame our challenges on immigrants -- that doesn't just run counter to our history as the world's melting pot; it contradicts the evidence that our growth and our innovation and our dynamism has always been spurred by our ability to attract strivers from every corner of the globe. That's how we became America. Why would we want to stop it now? (Applause.)

Look, our nation's Founders -- Franklin, Madison, Hamilton, Jefferson -- they were born of the Enlightenment. They sought to escape superstition, and sectarianism, and tribalism, and no-nothingness. (Applause.) They believed in rational thought and experimentation, and the capacity of informed citizens to master our own fates. That is embedded in our constitutional design. That spirit informed our inventors and our explorers, the Edisons and the Wright Brothers, and the George Washington Nationals Carvers and the Grace Hoppers, and the Norman Borlaugs and the Steve Jobses. That's what built this country.

And today, in every phone in one of your pockets -- (laughter) -- we have access to more information than at any time in human history, at a touch of a button.

It actually happened over the course of years of advocacy, and organizing, and alliance-building, and deal-making, and the changing of public opinion."

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It's nothing new for Republicans. Remember when they hated cheating on your wife when Clinton did it? But Trump does it and it's suddenly OK.

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