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I thought the film was wonderful - I saw it last night for the first time.

The one thing I found hard to believe was the fact that the wife was eventually able to forget that her husband was about to kill her. They delayed her turn-around for some time, but I just don't think it's the kind of thing you'd ever be able to forget. Although the husband shows geniune remorse at the wedding scene for what he'd done, I still think attempted murder is a pretty tough thing to get over.

Come to think of it, she was not a very strong-willed woman, after all she was willing to put up with her husband's running around and did nothing more than cry about it. As soon as he offered to take her out, she was thrilled and acted like everything was okay.

I guess I'm just projecting how my wife would react if: A) I cheated on her and B) I tried to drown her. She wouldn't take either one very well, to say the least.

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That sort of forgiveness is difficult to swallow if one views this as a realistic film, but it isn't: it's an allegory ABOUT forgiveness. As such these characters (who aren't even given names) are representatives of types rather than 3-D depictions of personalities. The "wife" is a symbol of forgiveness, as the "Husband" is a symbol of waywardness and loss of faith. And so on... As an allegorical symbol, the "Wife" cannot do anything BUT eventually forgive. That's her symbolic position.

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I agree with dmh7-1 about the wife being a symbol for forgiveness. This is a story about redemption, and that message is quite hard to get across if the wife doesn't completely forgive her husband by the end of the story.

Also, I would argue that he didn't actually attempt murder. He plotted murder, and came very close to attempting it, but he never actually harmed her. Plotting murder isn't exactly easily forgivable either, but I do think that it makes a huge difference. When she forgives him for almost carrying out a plan to kill her, viewers may be skeptical. However, if he had, say, thrown her overboard and THEN suddenly had a change of heart and rescued her from drowning, it would be quite different. Many people plot to murder those close to them (people are emotional and quite fickle), but rarely does anyone go through with an imagined murder plot. Of course, the husband did PREPARE to go through with it (the boat trip), which is quite awful, but this can be partially be attributed to the fact that he had someone egging him on to murder his wife. Mot to mention that the story would be quite short if he'd only thought about killin ghis wife, and did nothing about it. Anyway, if he had even laid a hand on his wife to try and kill her, it would be a lot harder to believe that she could forgive him. So, considering that he only actually plotted murder, the wife forgiving him is still questionable, but not completely unbelievable.

Besides that, the story is meant to be very artistic and symbolic, and therefore, characters' actions were often exaggerated so that the story could be told without having to sacrifice what is meant to be the meaning of the story.

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I totally agree with the original poster. No sane person could forgive attempted murder that quickly, much less have a great time on the town with murderer-husband the same day!!! Ridiculous.
They should have made the scene in the boat less a murder scene - more like "A Place In the Sun" where Montgomery Clift nervously thinks long & hard about killing his pregnant girlfriend, but never comes at her & when Shelley Winters gets up, she tips the boat over & both go in the water.
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Montgomery Clift is found guilty of murder for not summoning help & keeping quiet about the incident; also they discover drowned girlfriend is PG giving him the motive.
But the man in "Sunrise" makes it CLEAR he has evil murder on his mind!
I thought the end of Sunrise should have been the husband drowning - justice for his murder attempt, but dying having known the sweetness of his wife's forgiveness and being responsible for saving her life. Also, I would have had the city woman rejoicing as she hears the commotion of people searching for survivors (thinking her lover had drowned his wife). Then her horror as she finds out HER lover has drowned. The wife triumphs over her at last!

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i just watched it again recently and i agree with the original poster as well but i try to think of the film as a fairy tale type deal so i take the films logic with a grain of salt. it's a beautiful film nonetheless.

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I didn't give it that much thought at all. I just saw the love. =) I just watched it at my University's plush little filmhouse on the big screen for a class. Just beautiful...I had heard of the movie before seeing it, but I wasn't aware of its legacy or its beauty.

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...Rarely has there been a womans percpective on this film,all the reviews I've ever seen have been from Males..I let a lady friend of mine watch this recently,hoping she would find it as wonderful as I do but alas..her opinion was that the Man shouldn't be forgiven..and even be killed!!,I think she was partly joking and not really giving a thoughful review..But its true, at times you have to take off the rose colored glasses and look at a thing thru anothers eyes...I'm still of the opinion tho that the filmakers got their point across of making this as simply an art piece of an isolated incident and one of the few films that can truely be compared to some dark dream..I think the real soul of this film is the performance of Janet Gaynor(no wonder she won an oscar)Its utterly heart rending to watch her when she catches on to whats happening, her fear then sadness,despair..whatever it is??-words can't describe her character at that point..I watched it again a couple of days ago(needs to be seen a few times!)and again I was reduced to jelly!..Maybe a guy needs to see this,to be reminded what a really good thing he might have in a woman!...He might get killed instead..or worse..taken to the Cleaners!..heh heh..reality check!

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It's funny you would bring that up - I have a daughter at college who just took a film class where they watch a film per week and analyze it. Since this film is not very well known, I thought I would like to introduce it to her. Then I thought, "she'd never believe the wife would forgive the man". My daughter is pretty tough when it comes to her boyfriends - and that was the genesis of my original post.

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One really excellent discussion of this film was by a woman:

"Sunrise": A Murnau Masterpiece
Dorothy B. Jones
The Quarterly of Film Radio and Television, Vol. 9, No. 3. (Spring, 1955), pp. 238-262.


If you have access to JSTOR, you can retrieve it from there.

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Both Sunrise and A Place in the Sun were based on the novel An American Tragedy by Theodore Dreiser which, in turn, was based on the real murder trial of a young man whose girl friend drowned in a lake in the Adirondak Mountains. Dreiser copied pages of the trial transcript and inserted them verbatim in the novel. The true story has since been written in a book called Murder in the Adirondaks. Why did Murnau change the ending to a happy one? Did the studio balk at having Janet Gaynor killed, or did Murnau really want to make an allegory about redemption and forgiveness? I dunno.

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Actually Sunrise was based on The Excursion To Tilsit - "Die Reise nach Tilsit" by Hermann Sudermann. Murnau and his scenarist Carl Mayer considerably changed the plot of this novella, which had an unhappy ending as well (though a different one than Dreiser's novel). Murnau was not pressured by the studio at all - this was the film he wanted to make. Even the title shows that a happy ending was intended from the beginning - a sunrise to a new day.

The film is about temptation, sin, repentance, forgiveness and redemption - it wouldn't be this film without these themes.

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My two cents is that in addition to the intent of the story to be an allegory or fable with the characters being symbolic, we have to keep in mind the times. This film was made in the 1920's and was probably telling the story of much earlier than that, before women's equality and independence became the norm as it is today. The wife in the story is very young (I believe even Janet at the time was nearly 10 years younger than George) and completely dependent on him. In those days women put up with a lot more than they do today. There was no way for her to pick up and leave. It just wasn't done. Remember old time wedding vows used to have "Love, Honor and "OBEY"" for the women. I know it's hard to believe from our point in time today but I think the Wife's reaction in Sunrise was indeed realistic for those times. Plus personally, I think George was so adorable, I couldn't have resisted his apologies either!!!

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The film's a pure fairy tale set in the modern day of its time. It's not meant to be believable in a realistic sense.

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i kind of agree with lartrak. I think the movie is like this: it's a series of spells cast and enchantments rendered, for better or worse. first the harlot casts enchants the farmer, after he realizes he's been wrong he works tirelessly to try to re-enchant his wife. both are enchanted by the city's wild charm. and in the end. they're back together and she's genuinely worried for him. should she get back with him? that's up to you. but in the world of Sunrise enchantment is everything, if you get sucked in by the film you are enchanted and go with it. would she take him back is irrelevant, many a woman's taken back a guy who did much worse, so it can happen. but the point, i think is that we love to get wrapped in banal or at least common place things that enchant us like romance, and sunrises and sunsets and movies.

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If the wife wasn't going to be forgiving, would there have been a point to the movie? It could have been written that way, but would it have been as striking as it was?

I like to remind people who watch Sunrise, to accept it for the beauty that it is. Don't think about what you would have done. Let it move you, if you can be moved.

In all honesty, I understand less the motives of the wife in The Excursion To Tilsit, than I do in Sunrise. And I might be about to spoil it, so if you don't want to be spoiled, avert your eyes.
The wife some how finds out that she's going to be killed, and goes right along with it. She treats it as a death sentence that she's willing to accept. Even getting the dress that she's going to be buried in ready. In addition to this, the husband hit her while drunk, and he would drink often. The mistress was living with them. The wife and all the neighbors knew what was going on. As for the drowning part, in the book the husband never goes through with any of it. He doesn't even so much as get near her. During most of the trip, she waiting for it. Expecting it. Eventually, she makes him repent. He doesn't do it on his own. He doesn't show remorse, until asked about the green rushes. In my opinion, the whole thing about her knowing about being killed before hand, and going along with it, is more far fetched than the forgiveness of the wife in the movie.


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