film endings


When I saw the movie for the first time I thought it would end with the sunrise above the lake and the man waking up and realising she is lost. Destroied face, sunrise, fade out. Sad irony, and in some ways clichee. It would've been called "Sunset".
What do you think about that? I know it's a bullsht idea but just maybe... I personaly am deeply moved by sad endings and I like them more than the happy ones (of course I don't dare say the ending was flawed: the best think about great art is that it changes you and not the way around - and rarely one disagrees with the artist). What type of ending do you like most?

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Directors always want to americanize movies with happy endings. A good example is that movie the Vanishing, In the original European version the main character dies in the american remake with the same director he lives. I think this director who is my favorite for some reason americanized the ending to go along with the American leads. Sunset is one of my favorite movies, but the ending was a letdown in what I would call a typical americanize everybody is happy in the end because the calvery comes to save him from killing his girlfriend because she is alive. The director should of taken a chance.

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I agree a movie does not have a happy ending to work. But I think his was a lazy easy ending. Perhaps 80 years later he might not had felt the same way about the ending of this movie.

Back then movies were not aviailable for most to see and there was no television.
Today 80 years later the average person has seen countless of good movies destroyed by a lazy ending The Vanishing is one of those movies Today we are more jaded, and are use to a certain formula. Today Sunrises ending is just like every ending to a formulaic movie. And since I am a viewr looking at movies made 80 years ago, I have the right to say the ending was crummy. Perhaps Marnau, who is one of my favorite directors should of not catered to his American stars and audiance and stayed true to what he normally does.
I am curious why he used the two stars, Yes I know Gaynor and O'Brian were top stars, But why them? That is why i feel his ending was way off to appease our sudience. Why did he use the most popular stars for this movie? Was it because of how directors decide if they want to deal with making a quality movie or a money making movie? Even our bast drectors ar accused of that. I think Marnau was not about that. Remember he already had did a money making stunt during the filmiing of Nosferatu implying that dracula was really a vampire ,lol, so he might have been leading us down the Primrose path with a typical paint by numbers ending for the american audience.

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No I read about Max Shrenk way before that movie came out. Actually I never saw the whole movie and what I saw of it I wasn't crazy about. . There was a mystery surrounding Shrenck.
I never implied that the two stars were telling the director what to do. But I do believe being they were big stars and it was a American movie he wrote for the american audience. And in doing that he gave it a americanized ending. Not saying that is a bad thing, but as I mentioned 80 years later it is a lazy thing to do. I did bring up that times were different 80 years ago. I had hoped he would not have taken this track of he were alive now.
I feel he should of killed her, it would not have changed the renewal of his love for his wife. Both can happen and it would be more realistic if it did. He was mad at this women because of what, because she tempted him to kill his wife well that was his fault for falling for it. So his anger at her was irrational. So kill her. All of a sudden he is going to get a moment of rational thought because of that women saying she was alive. I doubt a person as angry as him would of even heard her. It was like the director stopped the movie and said Cut, we must let this women live or the americns will walk out of the theater.

The ending bothers me because the wifes forgivness bothers me. Tell me what's worse thing can a man do to a woman? Cheat and then try to kill. That warrents a little more then some visit to a church and goo goo eyes for me to forgive that jerk. More like incarceration and moving on with my life. That would of been a happy ending IMO, but also a good ending. Instead she is doomed to stick around with a jerk for the rest of his life until he fnds another woman from the city. She can't stop that trolly from the city comming into the country all of the time. So what is she going to do? lol The movies love story was also americanize, Who would believe such drip as us. Her husband was fooling around but that is the minor problem, he was GOING TO MURDER HER. And all it takes is some vistis to the haridresser , the church and some loving looks in his eyes and she forgives him! I am outraged that people liked that foolishness in the year 2007. Lke i said we are suckers for a happy ending even if it is bad one that gves out bad signals. What made the girlfriend any worse then him? He was the one married not her. And IMO he should of been on that wagon with her at the ending leaving town and going to jail right after Gaynor almost strangles him to death. lol

You and other people mention redemption. Is this something I am missing because he doesn't redeem himself. She does the redeeming for him. I believe the movie was made for the crowd it was set out to be made for. But it is a very outdated movie. Because if a man tries to kill his wife n 1927 or in 2007 in no place on this earth that it is romantic for her to take him back, it is just plain stupid.

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We can agree to diasgree. Please don't get me wrong I love the movie but the story is a little hokey. But most films at that time were.

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You and other people mention redemption. Is this something I am missing because he doesn't redeem himself. She does the redeeming for him.


Exactly. She does the redeeming for him. Murnau is not celebrating the Man's ability to overcome his own frailty and redeem himself, he is celebrating the Wife's ability to redeem her husband through the strength and constancy of her love for him.

This is also the theme of Nosferatu. In it, as in Sunrise, a man falls prey to a vampiric figure (though in the former, the man is simply trying to earn his living and in the latter, he's distracted from doing so). In both, the man is saved by "the love of a good woman".

By the way, in Sunrise, the Man does not, as you claim, try to kill his wife, he only plots to kill her. It is her essential goodness--and his recognition of it--that prevents him. The Man does not botch the murder, he turns away from committing it. So obviously, Murnau did not intend for us to view him as irredeemable. That point may seem minor or even nitpicky to you but I believe the censors of the day made a distinction between the two, as does the law.

In an era in which the individual reigns supreme, this essential dependence of one human being on another might seem strange. And to those who do not understand the elasticity and malleability of marriage, the 180 turnaround in Sunrise must also seem strange.

You are obviously an intelligent person who has put a lot of yourself into observing and analyzing this movie. I personally think that's a wonderful tribute to a masterwork. I'm just sorry that the cynicism and judgmentalism so prevalent today keep you from enjoying this as fully as I do.




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The best response to the ending of this film can be found in Dorothy B. Jone's essay, SUNRISE: A MURNAU MATERPIECE which was published in the Spring, 1955 issue of Hollywood Quarterly of Film, Radio and Television. This is actually one the best essays ever written about a film -- one that I have read over and over. I'll quote a few of her conclusions:
"But inevitably in evaluating SUNRISE in these terms, we come to the crucial matter of the happy ending itself. . . Before answering this question it may be well to point out that the short story on which the film is based did have a tragic ending. In the story, however, the man is drowned while his wife survives; he could have saved himself, but instead, in his efforts to save her life, he loses his own. This tragic ending appears to be completely correct for the story as it is developed by Hermann Sudermann, for in it the man is shown to be far more villainour than in the picture. . . Thus, Murnau has two possible tragic endings from which to choose. On the one had, had the wife been drowned, the film could have been a tragedy in the modern sense of the word, carrying with it a sense of finality, of heroic grandeu, of exaltaion. Actually, neither of these endings would have provided a convincing or satisfying conclusion for the motion picture which Murnau made, for his entire developement of the story makes the ending which he chose the possible one for this picture. Murnau rejected both these tragic endings because either one of them would have negated the film's underlying mood and theme and destroyed the remarkable unity of his work. For Murnau did not want to make us feel either purged of emotion (in the Aristotelian sense) or exalted (in the manner of the more modern tragedy). From his film in its entirety, he wanted above all else simply to make us feel the wonder of human relationships--the complex motivations which govern the lives of human beings (even the lives of a simple peasant and his wife), the nuances as well as the quiet depths of understanding which exsist between a man and a woman who love one another, the subtle moods which color the days of our lives. For the theme of the picture is that not events themselves, but their meaning to human beings and the use to which we put them is what matters. . . Thus in SUNRISE, Murnau tells us that good and evil are both part of living, that our mistakes and our suffering need not ruin us, but that what these events mean to us and what we do with them is what matters, for they may indeed become the very means by which our tomorrow may prove to be a better day. Life goes on, Murnau tells us, and bitter or sweet is essentially good, for there is always the promise of the sunrise and another day."
The film has the right ending!

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I have to disagree with Ms. Jones. Murnau had no problem negating a film's underlying mood. Ms. Jones probably never saw The Last Laugh.

I believe this was Murnau's first film with an American studio. And I believe the very American ending was the studio's, not Murnau's. But regardless of who influenced who, when the lights come up, audiences are left to ponder this ending, after having witnessed a man cheat on his wife, then come very close to murdering her, and then come even closer to murdering his mistress. It's problematic, to say the least. I doubt this happy ending would have passed the Hayes code a decade later.

In my mind a better ending would have been: wife drowns, floozy turns in husband for murder, husband gets convicted, floozy gets baby, which is all she was after in the first place.

But i don't think my ending would have passed the Hayes code either.

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