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If they had found Boris a nice girlfriend ...


.. how much might that have resolved this entanglements?

"It's the system, Lara. People will be different after the Revolution."

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Or a nice boyfriend 

But he wasn't upset by Julian dating & then marrying Vicky because he was jealous. He was upset because he believed that any romantic entanglement would detract from Vicky's devotion to dance

Steve

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No. The movie plays it as Lermontov being both physically attracted to Vicky and attracted to her dancing.

The problem is that Lermontov can't separate those desires. Also if most of his affairs have been with men, than his physical response to Vicky must have made him even more confused.

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What's your evidence for such a bold assertion?

Steve

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The movie plays it as Lermontov being both physically attracted to Vicky and attracted to her dancing.



Actually, I think the movie makes it clear that what Lermontov is really attracted to is Vicky's talent. When Julian accuses him of jealousy, Lermontov responds: "Yes, I am. But in a way that you'll never understand."

Lermontov wants Vicky's body for art - not for sex. It's true they share a wonderful chemistry and enjoyment in one another's company, but it's about two human beings who feel that, when they're in partnership, every artistic goal is possible. Lermontov feels Vicky will enable him to realize his vision for the world of ballet (a religion to him), and Vicky feels Lermontov can provide her with her greatest opportunities and growth as a dancer. But Vicky needs more; she needs what Lermontov can't give her. That's why, when she's preparing for her performance at the end of the film, she has images of both Julian and Lermontov in a folding picture frame on her dressing room table. What's revealing is that it contains a photograph of Julian and an abstract, though recognizable, sketch of Lermontov - because Vicky and Lermontov's relationship is abstract.

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Thanks Murph, my sentiments exactly

But some people have problems with anything apart from standard boy/girl sexual relationships

Steve

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It isn't in any way that Lermontov understands.

Again WATCH the film.

Lermontov invited Vicky into the company without seeing her dance a step. If he was so interested in talent, why do that? Already that one act is against his character.

He did it because he was attracted to her. Obviously there was more sexy, flirty talk between them that we did not see and led to her apprenticeship with his company. Vicky was under the impression that she had an understanding with him. When he invited her to meet with him over The Red Shoes, she went running all dolled up. What does THAT say about our little Vicky? Not so innocent is she. This is one of the few decisive acts she takes in the whole movie. And those acts show she was willing to go the lover route to get ahead.

Both Lermontov and Vicky repress themselves for Ballet. This leads them to act crazy. The only healthy person in the film was Julian. He left the debut of his opera for more than just a guest appearance by his wife. He left it because he knew Lermontov wanted it all, the dance, her love, sex...everything.

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Obviously there was more sexy, flirty talk between them that we did not see and led to her apprenticeship with his company.

How do you know that Vicky didn't dance for him when we couldn't see her as well?

Remember how Grisha dismissed Julian when they first met
Julian: Lermontov has hired me
Grisha: [Glances at him] Not as a dancer [looks him up and down] I hope

A professional dancer can tell another professional dancer at a glance 

Steve

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kevin-bergin says > If they had found Boris a nice girlfriend
That’s not how I understood the movie. I got the impression Boris was interested in Vicky; and not just as a dancer, but he tried hard to ignore his emotions. He believed in sacrifice for the sake of excellence and dedication to one’s craft. Vicky was also interested in him, and probably continued to have feelings for him after marrying Julian.

Boris represents and can give her what she really wants but by the time he comes around she has married Julian. She feels duty bound to stay with him but, by her actions, she doesn’t seem very committed to him. For instance, she doesn’t let Julian know she’s returned to the ballet company and when she hears he’s taken ill and won’t conduct on the night his opera is to premiere, she doesn’t rush off to be with him or even inquires about his condition. She’s still all set to perform as planned.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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Rewatching TRS I’m convinced the relationship between Vicky and Lermontov is the most important, and by far, most interesting, in the film. Anton Walbrook’s finely nuanced performance suggests that indeed he’s interested in Vicky the woman as much as Vicky the artist, and this causes great confusion and consternation for him. The times he says things to the effect he’s only interested in her as an artist is his way of protesting a little too much. His confusion is also suggested, in a much milder way, by his attraction to, and then rejection of, Irina on learning of her impending marriage.

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