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his 3rd class family?


I don't understand his dealings with his 3rd class "family"? At one point he says "i'm the head of this household now?" And he is getting her to sign papers... Did he know her before or was this a land or money deal for the ticket? help! s.o.s.... i don't get it.

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Thank you so much for your insight. I've always loved this film dispite it's historical flaws. This really is a character film and not about the ship. The boat is really just a place for this to happen and it's sinking just used as a time constraint. Of coarse "A night to remember" is the goto film for accuracy. "Titanic(97)" for putting both together and with great emotion. I also love that Robert Wagner is in this rather ramdomly.

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Yes, I've been wondering about this too, since the paperwork scene wasn't explained. Anyone?


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It may take more analysis to understand that paper signing scene--what is she doing sitting behind a table in 1st? Okay, the family head (the husband) was left behind, so I gather Sturgis took on the role of "head of the family," and helped them to safety . . .

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That paper-signing scene doesn't seem to make any sense. I once thought they might be immigration documents but that couldn't be it -- Sturgis only purchased the father's ticket, not his identity. He had his own passport and identification so it's not like he would have to pass himself off as Mr. Euskadum (or whatever his name was). The wife and kids meanwhile would have had their own passports and documents and so didn't need the father to be with them or sign for them; Sturgis in any case could confirm that he had purchased the ticket if necessary.

But in that scene Mrs. E. seemed to be conferring some right on Sturgis, in her alleged capacity as head of the family (which she protests she's not -- that he is, which really makes no sense). What could she possibly be doing that would involve him? And for what purpose?

And aside from what the papers might be, where did they come from? Who prepared them, and why? Did White Star have a resident attorney aboard who could draw up legal documents on the spot? None of that is answered or makes sense.

I think this is just some weak and unexplained plot ploy to make Sturgis seem responsible for the family's welfare, so that he has additional reason to go below and get them off the ship when it sinks. But there is no real sense or logic to anything we see.

You also touched on a shameless aspect of this scene, mogul: the sight of this woman, needing help with these mysterious papers, simply getting up from her desk in Third Class and going upstairs to First to ask for Sturgis. Of course, in real life there was no possible way she would have been allowed into First under any circumstances.

This is part and parcel of the overall tone of the film, in which the classes more or less mingle unobtrusively and where the rich First Class passengers are mainly depicted as cheery, selfless and generous sorts, while Steerage passengers are seen as naïve, simple, salt-of-the-Earth halfwits who need to be told what to do by their betters...including even getting off a sinking ship. (Remember when Sturgis goes down to rescue his "other family" and he and Sandy are told that the crew can't make them understand about the danger and they're all so panicked and confused they refuse to move?) We've discussed this elsewhere before, but this is clearly the doing of screenwriter and producer Charles Brackett, a very conservative man who always depicted the rich (pardon me, the job creators) in a positive light and the poor as decent but hapless dolts who need a guiding hand to help them survive. He was never more deceitful and shameless in this respect than in fashioning his version of Titanic, a despicable insult to the truth about the classes aboard that doomed liner.

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hobnob:

I agree completely . . . Mrs. E. wouldn't be allowed anywhere near first . . . if she did have some important document, or message, or whatever, for someone in first, she would ask the 3rd-class steward to deliver them up to first . . . and not only all that (what are these mysterious papers?)--why is she signing them where she is--sitting at that desk, in that area where all these people are walking about . . . how did she get up to first? . . . at some point it's all finished and she simply disappears and Richard goes out on deck to speak with his errant wife . . . on top of that, if there had been some sort of paper to sign, Sturgis himself could've gone down below . . . what rights are she signing away?

And, yes, there does seem to be some most unusual mingling of classes--Giff, a student from Purdue would most certainly be in second, along with the defrocked catholic priest . . . where do all these people get money for first? All right, maybe all those students are well-off (I doubt it)--today, by air, a college tennis team would all be in coach! (along with the defrocked priest).

There has to be some sort of symbolic reason for that paper-signing session in this carefully made film . . . however, what it signifies defies analysis . . . it's in the movie for some reason . . . and it's so improbable, her sitting in that foyer area signing away--what?

First class does come across very nicely--pleasant, refined, Sturgis sops at the Straus table and states they are "nice people"--how would we know? I suppose we must take it that everybody in first (except perhaps the sly Meeker) are "nice people."

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Hobnob and mogul, great points, but I have to question, how was Sturges able to move to first class when we know he purchased a steerage ticket?

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In the film, he finds his way up the first night. He just removes and chain barrier across an entrance way. (There are no locked gates depicted in the film.)

I thought the two scenes were to show his character arc. The first time when she comes to him with the papers, he dismisses any responsibility for the family. However, when the ship is sinking he goes and asserts his authority to get the immigrant family to a lifeboat. It was to show that Sturges, was someone who could indeed rise to the occasion when required.

As for the former priest and the college students being more likely to have been in Second Class, that's quite correct. However, there were First Class cabins on the ship (down on E-Deck) that weren't much more than Second Class. In fact, the cabins could be used for either First or Second.

In this film, there didn't seem to be any Second Class passengers. It was either First Class or Steerage.

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