http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046478/ratings-female
I cannot believe this rating from females voters... it is not first time I was shocked with theirs movie rating...
well... basically this movie shows us mistakes made by husbands and womans suffering during japan history....beautiful haunting great music...
> beautiful haunting great music...
Indeed. The music is very striking, unsettling even. (Even by the standards of mid-20th century Japanese films). I'd certainly buy a soundtrack if one is in print!?!?!
As for the thread question, I don't have an answer. Certainly the current average of 4.9 from females 45+ seems perverse, and -- dare I say it -- "wrong"! I'm not generally one to claim opinions "wrong" but when such a film is THAT poorly received it suggests an impassable cross-cultural barrier in the mind of the voter rather than an assessment of the film on its own terms.
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and they dislike how the potter is a man reborn and grateful to his wife, who is raped and murdered -- dead. How sweet.
shareI thought that only one of the wives (the wife that was the wife of a samurai) that ended up raped. Considering one was treated with a lot of film time by the director, why would he leave the audience uncertain about the other woman?
Anyhow, it might be the feminist women that got annoyed at how the woman get treated like dirt, or worse, and yet it appears like they still stay by the sides of their husband.
Like the deceased wife, according to the narration and the time when he revisits her, she's just grateful that he's back when a more contemporary one may be temporarily but give him endless grief. The living wife does this to the other husband, but she still stands by his side. I recall that neither husband hit their wives, but they did treat both of them very shabbily by abandoning them.
I haven't watched Madame Buttefly but have had the basic plot points explained to me, and I felt these woman are like that when I watched and finished the film.
There could be some woman that rated it that hoped for a different film. And not to rag on them, but maybe they didn't even like watching a foreign film with subtitles but found themselves watching anyhow.
Well it was actually pretty clear that Miyagi was killed by a blow to the body by that soldier, she spent several minutes with lots of blood and screaming child until she finally fell... cut away
They had to leave a sliver of doubt to better appreciate/enjoy the final ghostly appearance. By today's standards it's pretty manipulative, but for 1953, it was probably really efficient.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
With this being a Japanese film I guess it's easy to deflect any 'poor rating' by pinning it on a cultural aspect, BUT, what part of the world was treating women any differently in the 16th Century --a lot of parts even now! I feel that'd be an intellectual barrier that stopped any access to the film, rather than a cultural one. Plus the essentially good potter was corrupted, IF you'd care to remember the ghosts...
Doudeshouka?
I'm not quite over 45, but I still can't rate it highly.
It is extremely hard to make a woman like a movie where the women are meek, and the men are all dishonorable a-holes.
OK, the acting and the music and the art direction were good, but none of the characters are likeable, well maybe only the wise old man. I do not like feelgood movies, and I've liked some films of social study of dislikable people, such as criminals, or psychologically troubled people. But these films can convey a message.
The only message from this film is conventional morality and redemption of sin. I disagree with both.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
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I absolutely loved this film. This fable. This artistic direction. This acting. It's a beautifully stylized distillation of our human condition.
I am a 42 year old female.
I just have to say that, where you say the women are meek, I say the women are backbone; and that, where you say the men are dishonorable a-holes, I say they are the carriers of the story of our search for that backbone. It's only reasonable that the story of our eternal search for purpose, strength and virtue in our lives is voiced through the male leads since the human presenting the story to us is male.
Did I say I loved this film? I meant I loved this tenderly wrought, eternal fable put on film. (Buddha have mercy on your soul, Miyagi)
It's very hard to make a woman like a movie which is not about romance and stupid twists and frivolous love stories. I'm a man, I love action flicks and bad ass movies but I also enjoy great cinema like well... Mizoguchi's
That being said there's a under18 girl who rated Ugetsu monogatari a 9. Atta girl !
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Omae wa mo shinde iru
That's a ridiculous thing to say. "Chick flicks" are chit flicks, they are for young girls with no brains with parents who give them unlimited access to $$$ go to the movies and watch dumb Hollywood movies.
In general, women and men equally like classic and art films. The only times when when women truly like a film much less than a man is when it depicts such a degree of sexism and female submission that a woman can not help but feel belittled. All the women who post here of how "they" "can" appreciate the movie are fine to say so, but the point is, vote wise, women still like this movie a lot less than men, especially age groups which grew up with stronger feminism.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
Sorry Tallard, but Tobei's wife Ohama is anything BUT meek. She is incredibly assertive berating every man in sight including her husband, her john, and cursing the men who gang-rape her. She is a spitfire, NOT meek.
The measure of a human being is how one treats those weaker than oneself.share
berating=nagging
NOT assertiveness
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
But she WAS assertive. Being "assertive," however, only works on the open-minded recipient of that assertiveness. Tobei was a fool throughout most of the narrative before realizing the harm he had caused his wife and finally coming to his senses.
I thought both of the wives to be strong and much wiser than their husbands -- which, like the OP, leaves me baffled as to why a significant number of female viewers DON'T believe the women were portrayed as such.
Okay folks, show's over, nothing to see here!
^I agree. The film is about men, the women in it are all passive. It might be sympathetic towards them, but they're all just victims, they could just as easily be these guys pets, or their favourite bicycle. It's always kind of stuck out for me in that regard among Mizoguchi's work, which is usually so strong when it comes to the female characters.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S2EI48Qa84&t=1m38s
Women tend to give much lower ratings for just about every film, unless it features some obvious beefcake they can drool over.
shareI have the feeling that not all those "women" were actually women... People have been known to make up identities on These Here Internets, you know.
It's also been noted on a number of boards that quite a few classic films (older and foreign) have suddenly gotten a large number of 1 votes, which pulls them out of the top 250 ranking... to be replaced by just-released movies. Looking at the votes by rating, this is showing that same exact pattern.
HUNH.
I, too, have come to the conclusion that many of the "females under 18" and "females over 45" are not who they claim to be.
For the record, this female over 45 gave this film a 10.
The ratings for females 45+ are almost certainly false. The database is littered with inordinately low votes for old movies from supposed older women. It's far more likely that someone with a large number of accounts is rating these movies, probably in an effort to manipulate the Top 250 listing to suit himself. I've complained about these false votes many times, but the database ignores the issue. Don't believe that IMDb ratings reflect the opinions of IMDb users.
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The movie depicts both husbands wanting to work hard and supply a good life for their families. No?
I did like the scene of the men kicking back on the boat, drinking sake while a wife rows them across lake Biwa ! Classic !
The movie depicts both husbands wanting to work hard and supply a good life for their families. No?
I agree you can't take the IMDb ratings breakdown as accurate.
I gave it a 7.
I just watched the 3 movie box-set of Hanzo The Razor.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0174708/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt
The lead character Hanzo has an "impressive tool as a weapon" and his interrogation technique includes raping the women he wants information from.
All three movies in the series got considerably higher rating from women that from men. As much as two full points higher from women in the 18-29, and 45+ demographic.
This is a fantastic film, a dark one perhaps but a masterpiece nonetheless. I can understand females disliking the portrayal of females in the film, although im not sure what is really expected of the female life in 16th century Japan.
shareOr now for that matter (not to the extreme of getting gang raped, but...).
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