I love this film and have a lot of respect for BOMBER COMMAND but the Dambusters raids did not have the result that was hoped for and the losses were high.
Someone should make a film about the TARANTO raid,look it up on the internet it was amazing.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dambusters_Raid#The_tactical_view
Water and electricity supplies from the dams were back to normal by June 27th, six weeks later.
Taranto was a brilliantly devised plan, but the Japanese took the idea of a carrier based assault on enemy targets to attack Pearl Harbour. For that reason I doubt Hollywood will fund such a movie, imagining the bitter epilogue they would have to write.
Plus the Dams raid was a triumph of technology, inginuity, courage, determination and skill. No disrespect to Taranto, i would like a film about it, but i belive the Dams raid captures the imagination and shows the qualities we would like to remember and celibrate from war, whilst remembering the sacrifice and loss. as it was a special mission, the story was legendary by the morning news after the raid. Everything about the Dam Busters film is right as entertainment, a thrilling, engaging story and the action of the raid itself. Plus the personalities of barnes wallis, Guy Gibson and 'Bomber' harris are meant for Film.
share"Taranto was a brilliantly devised plan, but the Japanese took the idea of a carrier based assault on enemy targets to attack Pearl Harbour. For that reason I doubt Hollywood will fund such a movie, imagining the bitter epilogue they would have to write."
Be another excuse for Hollywood to have a pop at the Brits, all our fault, lol!
Funnily enough the Taranto raid had a Japenese observer, which clearly gave the Japenese an idea, which resulted in the raid of Pearl Habour.
shareI disagree. The raid on the dams may not have had a long-term strategic value in terms of absolute distruction caused, but it was a tremendous fillip to a British nation beseiged, whilst serving notice on Germany that specific homeland collateral was vulnerable to deep-penetration stealth raids. You can bet that a lot of men and ordnance were tied-up in their future defence.
It is not always easy to calculate the long-term value of a single event. For example; during the Battle Of Britain, Churchill ordered a small token bombing raid on Berlin. Hitler was so incensed that he ordered the Luftwaffe to switch their efforts to London, rather than fighter airfeilds. This left Fighter Command to rebuild and re-arm, and in doing so defeat the Luftwaffe and indefinitely postpone German invasion plans. No-one had any idea at the time that this would be the knock-on effect.
The full ramifications of the dam-raid may never be realised. But allied losses (fewer than 80 men) were actually quite modest compared with other exchanges for what was actually achieved. Just consider disasters like Galipoli.
>allied losses (fewer than 80 men) were actually quite modest
Uh, what? The attack was, after all, mainly an attempt to kill as many civilians as possible and as such it was successful in killing about 2400 people. 1200 of these were allied prisoners of war which were imprisoned close to the Möhne lake. Thus allied losses were at least 1280 men.
Did you actually watch the film Holtor?
If you did you will realise that the sole aim was to disrupt industrial production in the Ruhr by cutting the water supply from the dams. Killing civilians had nothing to do with it.
To set the record straight, actual deaths were Germans - 433 killed, 66 missing; 'foreigners' - 563 dead, 155 missing. Total of 1217 (from German report 22 June 1943).
Although the dams were repaired relatively quickly, it was accomplished by diverting tens of thousands of slave labourers from work on the Atlantic wall for months. The raid may inadvertently have made the difference between success and failure on D-Day but that's just conjecture. However as far as the raid itself, the German reports of the time certainly rated it a big 'success' as they looked at a wide range of effects both immediate and knock-on + intangibles.
I'd love to see a movie about the Taranto raid, specially if they could get hold of some replica Swordfish and not make it all CGI
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I would also like to see a film about Taranto. In the meantime, can anyone recommend the "best" book written about Taranto so far?
shareI've heard people say this operation was pointless time and time again...and it's absolute rubbish! Albert Speer, Germany's armaments minister, stated in his brilliant biographer 'Inside The Third Reich,' that the dams raid was a resounding success. While the material damage was repaired in record time, agriculture in the affected areas was ruined for years owing to the topsoil being swept away. Huge quantities of men and materials were diverted from other projects, notably the Atlantic wall, which was never completed to Rommel's satisfaction and consequently failed to stem the allied invasion on D Day in 1944. Many fighter squadrons were relocated in an attempt to respond more quickly to similar attacks, easing pressure on US and RAF bomber streams attacking sites other than the Rhur targets. The attacks also ensured that many MANY anti aircraft units were deployed around dams for the duration of the war, flak guns that could have devastated our aircraft had they remained where they were. The propaganda value was incalculable.
History has proved..and Speer confirmed it, that the attack on the dams to be one of the most important actions of the war.
Anyone suggesting otherwise clearly has no idea what they're talking about, and comments in that vein are disrespectful and deeply offensive to everyone involved!
LOL Nothing the UK did contributed to winning the war, even the Battle of Britain was only won by Hitler invading Russia. The damn burster mission was a costly venture with net effect zero except for all the innocent civilians and POWs they killed . It was only by America that the war was won in every theater. UK lost the war badly, and were a drag on the US war effort. Even Germany and Japan came out better as winners after the war than Britain did. This this dumb boring movie with laughablly British 'special effects' and the word "ni***r" all over the place is all they have #LOL
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