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Fay and her opinion of her looks


I wonder why Fay (Coleen Gray) says that she's not pretty. Granted, she's no knockout like Sherry (Marie Windsor), but any man I know would be proud to have someone like her in his life. Johnny (Sterling Hayden) seems to treat her with a lot of respect and thinks she's pretty. I think Fay's scenes would have had more resonance if they had actually hired an unattractive actress in the role. Anyone agree or disagree?



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Fay doesn't have the conventional plastic beauty of an A-list actress, which is fine by me. The same could be said of Maxine Cooper, who played Velda in Kiss Me Deadly (1955).


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wow....Coleen has it all over Marie...not even close....I guess that's what makes the world go 'round...

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Yes, I thought Fay was very pretty. Sherry wasn't pretty, but had that cheap easy floozy look. Fay was too insecure to accurately judge herself or anyone else. I felt really bad for her when the loot flew away. She didn't do anything wrong except love Johnny.

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Yeah, if I were Johnny in that situation, I would have just surrendered too with no trouble after the money blew away.



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It is ironic that Fay says she's not good looking, because she's leaps and bounds above Sherry, who looks like a cheap whore.

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Marie Windsor (Sherry) was always cast as a femme fatale throughout her career. In an interview, she said one reviewer described her as having "bedroom eyes". She said she liked it since she was never cast as a boring housewife. The last thing I remember seeing her in was an episode of "Tales from the Darkside". She and a bunch of people were living in an apartment building that had a dragon living in its basement.



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Miles made her movie debut in MURDER, INC. (1960), four years after THE KILLING. But I think she would have been an interesting choice in either of those roles.



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I was watching this recently and my niece was in the room. When the scene where Fay talks about how "unattractive" she was, my niece said "Geez, lady, get some self-esteem already!"



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I found that scene to be absolutely heartbreaking. Fay was actually a quite pretty lady and a much better person than Sherry.

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Well, she couldn't have been THAT good as she was hanging with a convicted felon who was about to commit another crime. A truly good woman wouldn't be with a man like that. Hell, she even tells him to make a run for it at the end when the cops are coming for him. I guess she was just the lesser of two evils.



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Of course Fay (Coleen Gray) was pretty. But the people who get to choose who's going to be a star in their film rarely choose an actress who isn't pretty even when the script seems to require it. This sometimes results in a degree of unnecessary implausibility, though also arguably for bigger audiences. Guess which weighs more heavily with producers? It was true decades ago and it's still true now.

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A striking example where the character is supposed to be plain but the actress plainly isn't: Betsy Blair as Clara in Marty.

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Clara was a dog.

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she couldn't have been THAT good as she was hanging with a convicted felon who was about to commit another crime. A truly good woman wouldn't be with a man like that. Hell, she even tells him to make a run for it at the end when the cops are coming for him. I guess she was just the lesser of two evils.
She was devoted to him and we don't know enough about when they first met and how much she knew before they fell in love with one another. She wants him to run because they have just been reunited after 10 years apart and another separation is unbearable for her. None of this makes her a bad person. Indeed it shows she's a loyal person, which is a good quality, even if her loyalty is given to a career criminal.
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I dont know how you can say sherry was a knockout,to me she looked like a drag-queen,Fay was much prettier

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She's Hollywood ugly.

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I think she was supposed to be a bit like Shelley Duvall's Wendy in The Shining, a woman that hung out with a loser (though not an abuser like Nicholson's Jack), though I found Fay a much more attractive woman, I must say. Kubrick went out of his way to avoid having Wendy look attractive, indeed he made her appearance as unattractive as possible. This made her decision to stay with Jack more believable than that of Fay perhaps. So clearly, Kubrick was conscious of how his attresses appeared and may have wanted to make sure it clear what kind of woman would stay with a man like Jack Torrance in The Shining. If Wendy had been even half as attractive as Fay, the audience wouldn't have bought it.

Anyway, back to The Killing. I think the point Kubrick was trying to make is that Fay was attractive, but lacked self-esteem. She says to Johnny in one scene: "You don't have to sell it to me, Johnny. I'll go along with whatever you say. I always have. Just like when we were kids". From this line of dialogue we learn that they have been close since childhood, and Johnny may in fact be the only man she's ever had. I think Johnny liked her precisely because of her childlike innocence, and willingness to go along with him unquestioningly. Since Johnny has always been in her life since childhood, perhaps she had always been "Johnny's Girl", and never thought of herself as a sexualized woman someone else would want. This is obviously not true, however, as men do find her attractive, even extremely so. Watch closely near the end of the film, as Fay is waiting for Johnny at the airport. You will see what appears to be an airplane captain, gazing upon her admiringly, looking as though he had just seen an angel. He takes off his cap respectfully and appears as if he is about to come up to her and speak when she suddenly sees Johnny coming and runs outside to greet him. The Killing is all about chance, luck and fate. What if Johnny had come just a few minutes later and the Captain had a chance to talk with her. Would she have made a different choice and gone with him if he had swept her off her feet? Shades of the naval officer that Alice fantasized about running away with in Eyes Wide Shut, perhaps? I doubt Fay would actually have bolted, but who knows for sure?

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I thought she was rather beautiful, especially in that scene. The actress who played Sherry was sexy and vampish rather than beautiful. How I interpret the scene is that she has a low opinion of herself and one that may not be based in reality and this may make her susceptible to the attentions of a man like Johnny Clay.

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Sherry had some big ole' titties and looked like she was up for some "fun". Fay looked conservative and maybe had some self-esteem issues. Thats the difference of the two women.

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