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Ward was a vitcim of child abuse.


Ward said his father cut back on conversation by useing a razor belt.

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Yup, Ward's always telling anecdotes about how his father physically abused him. It's extremely creepy actually. It's probably the second-most creepy thing in the entire series (the #1 most creepy thing in the series is when June intentionally poisoned Eddie).

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Don't know what kind of poison June used, but apparently it wasn't strong enough.

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eddie was allergic to mayonnaise. june got pissed and put it on his sandwich anyways.

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that especially creeps me out because I hate mayo so much I have to do "mayonaise checks" in restaurants to make sure none of it even if its an ingredient in another sauce touches my food. Get this if some jerk uses the same knife that was in mayo and puts it in mustard I consider the entire container of mustard to be contaminated.

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Purposefully feeding a child something that violates their food allergy is in some ways worse than a beating because a beating very rarely results in death (It can happen but it takes one HELL of a beating to result in death) but food poisoning can cause anaphilactic shock. There are people who can die or get very ill so ill they must be hospitalized if they eat the wrong food.

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June must have been a closet head case to do that. It sent the wrong messages to kids, that allergies were nothing more than someone being fussy, instead of it actually making them sick or possibly leading to death.

It would have been an interesting episode to have the police show up, take June into custody for attempted murder. Of course, on the way out the door, she would have told the boys to make sure they brush their teeth before going to bed, and instruct Ward to contact some relative to fill in for her duties at the household while she was locked up.

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And after June was executed, Ward would marry the "relative".
Unless it's Aunt Martha!
LOL

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Some people talk about those kinds of things as if they were a badge of courage to have been beaten as a child. Sick.

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Some people talk about those kinds of things as if they were a badge of courage to have been beaten as a child. Sick.


Yup, that definitely seems to be the reason why Ward does it. And it definitely is sick.

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It shows that Ward was a "survivor".
I wonder if he had a deep-seated hatred of his own father as Beaver and Wally do with him.
I bet he did, but as was usual of his generation, he was expected to "man up" and never reveal his inner feelings, not even to his own wife.

I'm sure glad that parents like Ward and June Cleaver no longer exist in America.

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It shows that Ward was a "survivor".


But "survivor" is not at all the tone of Ward's anecdotes. If it was, then their inclusion in the show wouldn't be sick. Rather, the tone is: "My father beat the crap out of me, isn't that funny?" 

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Hm, never noticed that.
I'll have to pay better attention next time.

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I could see him mentioning it to teach his kids that is not how to treat children. But it really comes across too as a "I had it much harder than you kids have it now..." kind of stuff. As if to also guilt them into thinking they are a bunch of spoiled brats, because their father didn't come home drunk or whatever and take a belt to them.

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I was in grade school in the mid 60s and the principal still used the belt. Many of my peers told of their parents doing so, but it would NOT be considered "child abuse" unless there was long-lasting bruises. Today we have the loony left calling spanking "child abuse"!

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Let's leave politics out of this. There is zero reason to hit a child. Period. Certainly not by the school staff. It has been proven that spanking just makes children resent authority all the more, and they don't even associate their behavior with the act. Some children have behavioral issues which can't be controlled and need to be examine by professional, not have them beaten. You don't beat animals, and you don't beat children. If someone feels they need to hit someone in order to teach discipline, you have the entirely wrong method. It is the same logic that allows a man to hit his wife, because "she was asking for it" or "to teach her a lesson". It's all very wrong and sick. Think of all the things in life you don't difficult learning, such as math, and you didn't learn it well and with good associations because someone stood there and gave you a smack each time you made a mistake.

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It only shows that the parents are either ignorant, drunks or junkies who hit kids. My mother was a victim of child abuse because her parents were too ignorant to know how to take care of kids back in the 1930's. Beatings and "playing favorites" are two of the worst forms of child abuse, and that happened in my mom's family. My dad was a victim of child abuse, too: neglect. They didn't care what happened to him and the other 10 children. His father was a drunk and his mother was too lazy to go and find work, which there was little because of The Great Depression. There *was* welfare in those days, but she was "too proud" to accept it, but not too proud to work for her older daughter by taking care of her kids. My dad was the 5th of 11 children. Their father drank up almost every bit of money he brought in, but I don't know how they ate or kept from getting really bad sick. When he was 12, my father contracted Rheumatic Fever from the neglect and his health became worse just after I was born, when he was 44. He died on June 9, 2014 at the age of 83; it's a miracle he lived *that* long, when he wasn't supposed to live past the age of 25!

How I wish that the state had come and taken the kids away from both sets of parents. Maybe they would have gotten a better life out of it. I'd seen it done on Unsolved Mysteries.

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Typical liberal, you are the one making this political. Any "studies" are suspect because social sciences are so far left.

You conflate spanking with beating. There is absolutely NO evidence that spanking causes harm.

My point was back in the 60s, nobody thought of this as "child abuse". It's a recent liberal fabrication.

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The point of Ward's frequently bringing up the beatings he received as a child is to highlight his anxiety about raising his own sons. He wants to be fair but strict, since he sees the dysfunctional children around the neighborhood (such as Eddie Haskell and Lumpy). He wants to raise happy, well-adjusted boys without ever
raising a hand in anger to them, and he's always hurt and puzzled when Wally and the Beav hide things from him because they assume he'll "clobber" them
or "whup" them like their friends' dads do. He's always worrying about being either a pushover or a bad guy like his own dad was. When he tries to discipline them, he senses their fear that he'll try to strike them; when he tries to show affection to Wally in one episode, he's a little hurt when Wally backs away and just offers his father a handshake instead. He can't win sometimes.

Meanwhile, June didn't seem to have such an ideal upbringing, either. Why did she spend a good deal of her childhood being raised by her Aunt Martha? Were her parents divorced, or were they unable to take care of her for some reason that was never explained on the show? It seems that neither one of the parents had ideal childhoods, and they may have both been anxious to compensate with their sons.


I'm not crying, you fool, I'm laughing!

Hewwo.

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June also spent part of her childhood in boarding school, too.

I wish some station like AntennaTV would air STILL THE BEAVER.
It would be interesting to see how Ward and June's upbringing affected their now-grown sons and the relationship they had with their own children.

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There is a copy of "Still the Beaver" (the TV movie) on You Tube. It is not a quality copy (it was a TV showing it and filmed by a camcorder) and it is shown in parts. Like I said, the quality is not very good, but hey, it's something.




"You cannot boil a llama and expect it to taste like a grilled monkey".

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Thank you.

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