Cape Fear sucked!


The original Cape Fear sucked! De Niro was miles better than Mitchum as Max Cady. De Niro's character was scary but Mithcum's was not. If this was made today it would be seen as very average come on! It was slow,boring and the Bowden family were like the frickin Brady bunch except with less kids! In the modern Cape Fear the family were nowhere near being a perfect family and that brought more to the film. The only thing better about the 62 version tothe 91 version was that Peck was better than Nolte but that's to be expected. To be honest I wasn't expecting much from this film but it was worse than I expected. The ending was rubbish as well. Don't get me wrong I respect anyone who thinks this was a great film and better than the modern one that is an opinion. However my opinion is that the 91 Cape Fear whopped the 62 one's ass!

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I'm a Mitchum fan, always have been, and you are dead right in your discussion on Cape Fear (and Mitchums performance). The remake with De Niro and Nolte, although I like them both, was a pretty poor attempt.

Mitchum I thought was a complete standout as Max Cady, understated, cool, laconic yet threatening and unnerving. He also wore a great hat. Peck was Peck, and as usual was excellent. The lesser parts Balsam and Savalas were terrific supporting roles.

The movie belongs to Mitchum and his great portrayal as the psychopathic Cady. Along with Night of The Hunter, Robert Mitchums tour de force.

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The acting was terrible in this film apart from Peck. Mithcum sucked ass big time and the rest was pants as well. However everyone seems to think this film is better than the 91 one so so be it.

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Yeah, isn't it strange Demon_lazos, how well the old version portrayed the violence - it was subtle but you knew exactly what Cady did/would do. I think it must have been considered somewhat graphic in 1962 but tame by today's standards.

I think Mitchum was much better at Cady - he was scary in what he would do, not his overt violence (like DeNiro), his calm methodical patience - you knew he'd never give up.

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I agree with you 100% Bfielding1942. I wrote the same thing on another tread. For example I was 17 when the 1991 version came out and even then I saw the family for what they were, a horrible mess. The acress who played Danielle/Nancy is Juliette Lewis, a woman who plays freaks in everything I've ever seen her in - that's like he trademark or something. She was practically accepting the flirtations from Cady, it was disgusting and sad. I had remembered her as a slut too - but your comment confirms my memory (since I haven't seen the new one in 13 years).

You're right, the 1991 version just shows how much American families have fallen in recent years. But the 1991 is a great commentary on our culture, but as for me, I'm raising a family more like the 1962 version becuase I'm not going to give up and say, "Oh, "real" families are dysfunctional." They may be but there are real families that are not as well.

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That's surely a correct assessment of difference of opinions. I didn't remember the new one being that bad - all I really remember was it being bad - I saw it at a 99cent movie so I hadn't paid much so I didn't expect much.

Juliette Lewis was surely only reading lines but she has become typecast or likes movies where she plays freaks so you're right, you can be sure any movies she's in is insane. I'd say, though, that some girls would be attracted to older men. I took a deeper social commentary away from that. Danielle's character had a wimp for a father (and if I remember right), she did not have a good relationship with him either. So she seeks out attention from any male that comes along and Cady could be a freaky boyfriend/lover and father figure. That may not have been the dynamic but that dynamic does happen a lot with young girls and older men take advantage of it. It's truly sick but a sign of how our families are failing, a horrible cycle. I find that with my own daughter (she's only 9 but starting already to look 19) that I'm avoiding hugging her etc. because I feel like some dirty old man - but if I have no (healthy) relationship with her she'll seek it from a guy - I think that's what's going on with Danielle - forever neglected and never taught to have inner strenght and character (as we see her father lacks this as well) she turns to the strong figure of Cady.

I'd say that Hollywood has been happy to fall and we've been happy to follow and vice-versa - feeding the cycle - who knows who started it since Hollywood reflects society and vice versa.

So, I'm assuming you were born in 1942 - you're a year younger than my parents. I don't know if you have children or if you have ideals or not, truly. My father would sound a lot like you on this board but when it came right down to it he was little differnt form Nolte's Sam Bowden - maybe quite a bit worse. So my generation has been let down by our parents perhaps theirs did the same to them - I just intend to break the cycle for my family - but it's difficult when the world is so eager to wallow in the mire.

I personally am glad for any voices in opposition to accepting degradation, so thanks.

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Well, admittedly, I've never seen young women who I know going for older men but I know it happens - because you see people of different ages. Of course they get together for different reasons. I had fun teasing my dad - my sister had just gone through an ordeal and he was commenting on how young she was (29) and I pointed out that she was the same age as my step-mother was when he married her (he was 40). He didn't believe it at first but then quickly did the math and got quiet. Though, granted that's not as big a difference as would be between Danielle and Cady - I just think that it happens - people are so messed up and looking for all kinds of weird things. I think Danielle could definitely happen - but no, it's not likely.

I think people don't go to change the world when they leave the theater but it absolutely effects their perceptions as does the advertising industry and all of pop-culture. I love the line, "when you dance with the devil the devil doesn't change the devil changes you." However, since pop-culture is driven largely by marketing it will change with marketing and entertainment to fit the people in the culture but the culture and people will change too, thus conforming to what business and Hollywood wants to give us and and ultimately demanding it - they will then give us more of what we want which is what they provide - it's a cycle.

No, I didn't mean you remind me of my father - you were saying the right things - my point was people often think that they live what they say when they don't.

I don't think it's an age thing either but I am part of a growing number of people who (probably unrealistically) are idealizing the past because we're so disgusted with what we're seeing in the present. I do think America was better 50 years ago but only in our outward behavior - on average I don't think people thought much more than they do now.

My point is Hollywood tells us humanity is slime and the happy, healthy American family is a myth and we believe them. We feel that humanity is slime and Hollywood is more than happy to confirm it - and that confirmation does matter, even if it isn't the original seed of our conviction. However, I'm a Christian so I don't believe in humanism anyway but I am opposed to whatever would be the opposite of humanism (a sort of secular "Total Deparavity" view).

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Yes, I'd say it's improbable but I think it's not really possible to overestimate how sexually fried our society has become. The girl would probably get attracted to a garden rake if it showed her some attention.

You're probably right about both families being atypical - I guess it matters little to me about realism when it comes to something I hold dearl like my family - I will have an ideal for them and because of that ideal (and a desire to prevent the reality) I'll come closer to the ideal.

That's intersting! I never thought of that about the liberals trying to destroy the family and then realizing what a mess they're in now.

You're right about being yourself - that's good as long as you ask yourself a question Christians used to ask themselves, "just how exactly should 'myself' be" today - more people I know (Christians mostly) are being themselves but asking themselves how they should be and trying to live that life but also not afraid to let out that they're not perfect but not willing to accept that just because they're not perfect htat their entire life is a lie. Because it's not.

Strangely, I liked American Beauty - even though I know exactly what you're talking about. I was offended by the movie on various levels but enjoyed it on others. As I've said, I'm a Christian so I try to see things Biblically, feeling that there is always a Biblical application to everything if you've got that framework in your mind. And so far it's been completely true. I didn't let my kids watch American Beauty but when they're 12 or so I probably would (though there are better movies). I enjoyed the part about the marriage falling apart, exactly how it happened over many years, how the father had sold himself and so had the wife but at least the father realized it. He was about to statitorily rape the girl and for all her sexual talk she was really inexperienced and scared - she was probably messing with her friend's father because she was jealous that the girl had a father who was somewhat intersted in her life. The entire movie screamed about how a Biblical family is better and how secular living can lead to all sorts of dysfunctionality. The lesson, the husband and wife pursued materialism and so they both worked leaving their daughter to be raised by society not them. The rift created in their marriage by their mutual pursuit of materialism left them frigid. The wife left herself open to be used then by the real-estate king. The daughter had no closeness from the father so she was more than happy to get it from the guy (of course they portrayed that relationship as normal but there was no need for them to have sex) the boyfriend was a drug dealer - they didn't point it out but he would end up dead at some point or in prison. The father was so concerned about controlling everything in his life that he completely fried his family - his poor wife had no personality of her own.

I would show all this to my kids and teach lessons like being sure to marry someone who you respect and love and then work throughout your life to remain close - spend time with your children - have friends who truly value you - etc. etc.

I'll let you know in 8 years when my daughter is 18 how it went - so far it's going great. But she's smart and has seemingly entered age 13 (in terms of maturity and thoughtfulness not pursuing boys etc.) when she's only 10 so I have been trying to spend more time with her etc. so that she doesn't feel alienated from me at a time when a girl needs her dad most - her teen years.

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You've got older children so I have reverence for your experience but I think that in a good family daughters talk a lot with their mothers and they become like friends and spend a lot of time together. But I think that that fathers are as critical to some aspect of their self-esteem. I'm not exactly sure what it is but I've seen it with many friends and their daughters. One man was a friend from church and you could see that his daughter was boy-crazy. Well, she got pregant before marriage when she was around 18 (later married the guy) - the father had cried at a prayer request about four years earlier that since taking a high-stress job he has been inaccessible to his family and especially his daughter. This girl had lots of attention from her mother who would take her shopping and be sympathetic to her boy-craziness etc. The father instinctively knew he'd made big mistakes with his daughter, alluding to the closeness they had when she was younger. I really believe (as many conservative counselors do) that a father has a critical role that is difficult to define but easy to see in many cases.

When my parents split up, my sister was 8 years old - she had been daddy's little girl. She acted like she hated him - she felt betrayed by him. But you know to this day (she's 33 now) she keeps a picture of her as a baby with him on Jones Beach on her dresser. She dated like crazy starting at around the same time he left - and was treated like garbage by some guys - never has had a healthy relationship really. My other sister who was 14 when my parents split up dated two jerky guys who were unfaithful and treated her like garbage before ending up with her husband who is great. This is all anecdotal but I think it's true and will see as time goes on. However, all the parents I've known who've had good relationships with their daughter have not (to my knowledge) had trouble with this. It's not much to go on but I'm going with my instincts and if all goes well I"ll publish a book when I'm done

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Yeah, one way or the other Danielle was in desperate need of something she wasn't getting from her family - one messed up chick and movie.

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You got a beeeg and foul mouth, BB. Can't you express your views in a civil manner? You seem like someone who craves attention.

DeNiro was way over the top. Mitchum was cool. He was more frightening than DeNiro because he was so powerful. Although DeNiro was crazier.

The 62 film was great. The 91 film was good. Mitchum and Peck were better than DeNiro and Nolte. Much better.


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I think it depends on which one you saw first, the original or the remake. I saw the 62 version first and thought it was very suspenseful. Therefore, I tend to like it better than the DeNiro version. Robert Mitchum has scared the ***Bleep*** out of me since Night of the Hunter. He's a menacing guy to begin with.

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Perhaps since you were expecting it to, as you less eloquently stated, "suck" you were more prone to look for ways for it to not agree with your tastes. I did not look for it to be providential and dated, therefore I saw the entertainment value in the film. I found it exciting , suspenseful and very chilling--ahh but todays movie crowd are too numb and battleworn to pick up on the subtleties and not-beat-you-over-the-head-with-sexual,-base,-or-violent-overtures-because-our-limited-imaginations-can-think-of-no-other-way-to-be-provocative-or-ground-breaking-furthermore-we-think-the-general-public-is-too-stupid-to-pick-up-on-anything-subliminal antics that todays films produce and were less prevalent in early hollywood.

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if we all just stood back & considered just what the films achieved then hopefully we would realise which film was the better.
cape fear 62 is without a doubt a classic piece of movie making.we can argue that the acting isnt as impacting & hasnt stood the "test of time" but never the less the movie itself is without a doubt a milestone in the filming industry.a rare achievement which is rarely seen nowadays.
which is obvious because it deserved a remake which still managed to grab an audience 30 years on.
cape fear 91 should have been almost an excact duplicate of the original but better effects & maybe an opitunity to introduce new elements into the storyline.
sorry but it failed.de neros cady screaming innocence & misjustice just didnt work.he might have been fooling his own ego but nothing else.
his character was very good but just didnt fit the storyline.
the disfunctional family was just a distraction from the plot.
the plot offered nothing new.
a good attempt at trying to remake a classic but why make something inferior?
the 91 version,all its good points it owes to the original.

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I will admit that the original movie was a marvelous film with some very intense acting. The remake was a great film also with some marvelous acting and intense moments. I think the big difference between the two films is realism. The original was realistic in the fact that what you are watching you could see it honestly happening. The remake, on the other hand, made Cady out to be superhuman which takes away from the realism. For example, the beating that Cady gets in the middle of the movie from those 3 hired men would have knocked him out and he would be near death, instead Cady gets back up like a wrestler in WWE and single handedly takes these guys out with no problem. For me that is not realistic. There are plenty of other scenes in the movie that prove my point also. But this is cinema and you have to take it for what it is. Nonetheless, both movies are great in there own ways.

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Here I am replying one year later, but I just have to make a point. Having just recently viewed the original Cape Fear I can now make a valid comparison between the original and the 1991 remake. The easiest comparison to make is between Gregory Peck's Sam Bowden and that of Nick Nolte. Hands down, Peck's Bowden is better than Nolte's. With Peck, you actually feel that he is living in irony as now he is forced to question is own morals to protect his family. Peck's Bowden is supposed to protect the rights of others as a lawyer, but he breaks the law when he hires some punks to beat the crap out of Cady. I think that the Bowden of the 1991 remake is good, but Nolte just is not as strong an actor as Peck was. In the original version, Peck was concerned that Robert Mitchum would outshine him as Max Cady, but that did not happen. In the 1991 remake, Robert De Niro clearly stole the movie as Max Cady.
Robert De Niro's turn as Max Cady was so good that he was nominated for an Oscar. I think that Robert Mitchum's Cady was excellent but would have been so much better if it weren't for the heavy censorship of movies in the 60's. Both De Niro's and Mitchum's Cady were physically and psychologically powerful. De Niro's Cady was especially scarier because he wanted to gain the teenage daughter's trust, which is usually how a lot of sex offenders are able to get their prey. I was just waiting for when. Bowden (Nick Nolte) even noticed the change in his daughter's behaivor after her meeting with Cady in the auditorium. Having a child turn on her parents while they are trying to protect her would have been the best payback Cady could have imagined in addition to raping her. And what father is going to say to his daughter, "I told you so." after she is raped? Because Peck's Bowden was a man of such conviction, everyone is his household was obedient and perfect. It was obvious that Mitchum's Cady was evil. Because Nolte's Bowden had a family that was falling apart, De Niro's Cady could play with their minds a little more.
I think that the original was good in that it got the point across with subtleties. However, I liked the shock value in the remake better. I liked how Bowden 1991 handled the brutal beating of an extra-marital paramour. He did not care about the embarrassment her testimonial would have brought him and his family. Cady would have been put away and everyone could rebuild. But everyone knew that girl was scared!! In the original, Bowden was so removed from the victim (there was no affair) that he practically demanded she testify. She was scared too but not like the girl in the remake!! I liked the long gaze that Mitchum's Cady gave to Bowden's daughter and Peck's violent reaction to the gaze, and the bar scene where Peck offers to pay Mitchum to go away. Peck just oozes classic guy bravado.
Like I said before, the original was good but the remake was better.

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Okay... I suck. Why? Is it because I have my own opinion of both films? Is it because I like both films equally but the remake (I thought) was in ways over the top?

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The simple fact is that the original Cape Fear IS a hundred times better than the remake. Deal with it.

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I saw the remake way before the original, but I prefer the original. The remake (Although a nice effort at a genre film by Scorcese) is quite good, however I could never consider it better because its simply an over the top homage to the original. The reason it was so over the top was because De Niro was apparently trying to channel a slightly different Max Cady. Mitchums is much better in the end because its underplayed, and subtle. I enjoy both films greatly though. Both have wonderful casts.

"Reality ain't what it used to be."-In the Mouth of Madness

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What a great review. Let me see, drop out or GED?


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