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Not to cause an argument but this is a really bad movie.


I am 33 years old and grew up with Clash Of The Titans and loved that movie so much as a kid. Despite hearing about Jason and his argonauts all my life I somehow never managed to see it until tonight. I was a little surprised at just how, for lack of a better word, awful this movie is. I recently watched Clash Of The Titans for the first time as an adult who has really come to love movies as an art form and found it to be severely lacking in most of the aspects of movie story telling I find important. I went into Jason and the A's with more or less the same expectations as I found in Clash of the T's. But I would probably have to say that is was quite a bit lower on the scale. I can imagine for it's time it being visually stunning and Mr. Harryhausen once again stuns me with his animations, but the story, while enjoyable, was rather shallow in the manner it was told. I know nothing about the production or what was planned to follow or how much a viewer was supposed to know before hand, but the way the story was moved along was so lacking. It kind of felt like an extended T.V. show from the 60's. And to me, it had a very strong Star Trek feel, which makes me wonder if Gene Roddenberry got some of his inspiration from this movie. At least in production and writing. The acting and dialog were what I would consider horrendous. I am not a huge fan of older movies, I think mainly for this reason. I know it was a different time with a different view, but have movies really evolved that much or does it just mean the the audience's view changes over the years? Will people 50 years from now look back on films of today and groan about how awful they are? Another thing that bothered me a little and makes me kind of curious is how the battles with the harpies and the hydra don't seem to be interactive. I mean that in both fights nobody actually makes contact with the monsters. People are swinging left and right but just don't seem to be able to make contact. I would imagine this has something to do with how the effect was created, but with the skeleton fight they choreographed it so that it appeared the two combatants where actually hitting each other. I wonder why they couldn't do the same thing with the other monsters? After all this I won't say I didn't enjoy the movie. I really wish I would have had the chance to see it as a kid. I think that I would have loved it just as much as I did all the really bad fantasy adventure movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5PFI3rMTQ

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Suspenseful and well-thought out. The reason the Talos scene arguable works well is because one spends every second thinking about what he MIGHT do. That tension caused it to be effective on several levels.

As for the OP, it's pretty evident that the Argonauts were just trying to entrap the harpies, and not kill them. Why create problems for the movie that don't exist? As for why the Hydra wasn't struck (until it gets stabbed), I think it was to show the evasive and elusive quality of this 7 headed creature.

The OP admitted not being a huge fan of older movies. I think that says enough about his credibility as a reviewer of this movie.

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Pfft. Surely two things can be similar even if the settings differ? The setting is just one aspect of a story.

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I'm watching it for my first time right now (and I'm 20 if that has any bearing on anything). I'm about an hour and a half in, and I'm loving it so far! (Not that that says a lot; I admire Peter Jackson's Bad Taste and cheesy '80s horror... to the extreme!) I'm usually not a fan of older movies, but this is thoroughly entertaining. Love flicks that feature Harryhausen's work.

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It is actually pretty well paced, much better than some movies I've seen recently.

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hmmm..check out the battle scenes in Return of the King and then take a look at say the scenes with Talos, Zeus and all the other gods in Olympus, the Harpies, Neptune, the Golden Fleece, and the skeletons. What do you think? And keep in mind how old Jason and the Argonauts is.

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hmmm..check out the battle scenes in Return of the King and then take a look at say the scenes with Talos, Zeus and all the other gods in Olympus, the Harpies, Neptune, the Golden Fleece, and the skeletons. What do you think? And keep in mind how old Jason and the Argonauts is.

I didn't mean directional pacing, I meant pacing of narrative. Jason is better paced in terms of storytelling (if you can separate that from direction) than a lot of modern films.
I haven't compared the two admittedly, I imagine ROTK has better direction due to budget and marketers no?

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I'd agree especially in the technical end for ROTK as well as the entire Ring series. I'm amazed though that with all the technical wizardry that can be done now in film arguably the film holds up as say a good piece of fantasy entertainment after all the years. Could be tough though for the youngun's now who have been gorging on CGI effects and are conditioned to it when it comes to fantasy films. But I realize hey that's the modern era!..But I'd say in any case some of the visuals in JATA still are pretty good ...;-)....

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The skeleton army will get you for that!

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Hey, your history with this movie is very similar to mine, so I am going to recycle some of your text.

I am 32 years old and grew up with Clash Of The Titans and loved that movie so much as a kid. Despite hearing about Jason and his argonauts all my life I somehow never managed to see it until today. I was a little surprised at just how, for lack of a better word, awesome this movie is. Yesterday I watched Clash Of The Titans for the first time as an adult who has really come to love movies as an art form and found it to be severely lacking in most of the aspects of movie story telling I find important. I went into Jason and the A's with more or less the same expectations as I found in Clash of the T's. But I would probably have to say that this was quite a bit higher on the scale.

I was genuinely surprised at the artistic and technical level of the stop motion, taking into account how old this movie is, and most of the time the effect blended well with the overall movie. In CotT on the other hand the stop motion seems rushed at times and has a totally different lighting than the rest of the movie, making the scenes completely and obviously unrealistic.

Now, to be fair, both movies feature bad or maybe dated acting and a very simple storyline, and though I find Perseus story more interesting, while watching it yesterday, I couldn't help but notice so many more flaws with it that with JatA. The biggest problem being Perseus himself. He is a major jerk, most people probably don't notice, because they are nostalgia zombies (no offense). I won't go into detail, it's perfectly summed up in this post: www.imdb.com/title/tt0082186/board/nest/178388669

Basically I gave JatA a 6/10 which in my book is an ok movie and CotT a 4/10 which is a disappointing movie.

Actors have certainly gotten better at interacting with things that aren't there. Or maybe it's just the animators having more resources and easier ways to blend CGI together with the real world. Ah, talking about CGI, there was one big thing that bothered me about this movie. Ancient Greek temples where in ruins or looked really old. It's in Ancient Greece, so they are not supposed to look old, they should be brand new and polished. Now here is a good use of CGI I would totally approve off, but instead because animators nowadays have no limits, they go over the top and create totally unrealistic architecture. I hope Hollywood calms soon down on the CGI craze and start using it in a fine and tasteful manner.

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Actors have certainly gotten better at interacting with things that aren't there. Or maybe it's just the animators having more resources and easier ways to blend CGI together with the real world. Ah, talking about CGI, there was one big thing that bothered me about this movie. Ancient Greek temples where in ruins or looked really old. It's in Ancient Greece, so they are not supposed to look old, they should be brand new and polished. Now here is a good use of CGI I would totally approve off, but instead because animators nowadays have no limits, they go over the top and create totally unrealistic architecture. I hope Hollywood calms soon down on the CGI craze and start using it in a fine and tasteful manner

I would rather have these temples look ruined or old. It actually gives it more authenticity as opposed to having it matte painted or today, digitally inserted. Plus not everything looked so shiny and new even back then. We have our old crumbling / abandoned buildings as well.

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I agree! After all: Remember that Jason is told why ruined temples happen just before he is taken to Mount Olympus. The gods fight among themselves, and often these structures are destroyed.

Please! No CGI strocities, which many are. "Gladiator" was a horror, with its overcast skies and obviously fake buildings that had been put together on computers. CGI can be good, but the majority is very poor, with fire and explosions that apparently don't affect anyone around them (just for an example).

I just finished watching the movie again. How can people say it's SLOW?! It seems to be over far too soon. This is from a person who has watched it no less than 200 times since seeing it at the drive-in when I was 12 years old. My 60+-year-old eyes find no faults in this film, which is Ray Harryhausen's masterpiece.

I find it curious that the OP praises "Clash of the Titans" because, in spite of some brilliant moments, including Medusa, there are a number of weaknesses. The shift from live to animated is very obvious, for example. That does not mean I don't enjoy it every time I watch it! it's simply that "Jason and the Argonauts" cannot be topped, at least in the mythological category. However much time I have left, I hope I'll be watching this film at least once a month. Remember that scene in "Soylent Green" with Edward G. Robinson? Well, I'd be happy to spend my last moments with this film filling my senses and my heart and hearing Bernard Herrmann's brilliant score.

Side note: It's about time TCM does a memorial marathon! But, why is it so short?! They often dedicate a lot more time when an actor or director dies! Ray Harryhausen influenced and inspired a phenomenal number of people!



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No, it's not - it's actually an excellent fantasy movie, it's just not to your taste. The acting is solid, the characters are visually believable in their roles, the creatures are amazing, especially Talos, the giant metal man, who scared the crap out of me as a kid and I still find it awesome. I also love King Aeetes of Colchis creating his skeleton army out of the Hydra's teeth. It's very eerie. The Bernard Herrman music is excellent, and Nancy Kovack was a great beauty. Honestly what more can one ask of a fantasy movie?

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I would ask of any movie a story that can stand on its own and does not need a sequel - which in this case was not even realised.

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