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Did anyone else like Steiger better than Sharif?


Boy, I did! I think Rod Steiger is by far the more attractive and interesting character than Sharif, whom I regard as facile, weak and obscenely idealistic.

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Komarovsky was certainly the more complex character - at least seemingly so. "Knows life", as one might say. But "attractive"? I don't think the word is carefully chosen. "Interesting" seems more appropriate.

Zhivago didn't seem weak to me - other than in succumbing to his lust for Lara. I dare say there wasn't too much room for any weaklings in the harsh climate of the times through which those characters trudged.

Idealistic? Well, I'm not too sure that stands up either. Surely it was the embarrassingly naive Bolsheviks who demonstrated the true idealism. Strelnikov might not have been a Bolshy but he too was guilty of undiluted naivety in assessing the aspirational character of the common man "come the revolution".

I would say that Zhivago displayed only a hint of this infantile disposition but instead was given to a far more earthy and poetic sense of truth about the world - he was the character after all who had witnessed the death of his mother (Mother Russia) at such an early age. I think he was, in fact, quite aware of what was going on around him but that his adherence to a deeper set of natural truths than those marching down main street made him search for non-ideological answers - I would deem this a sign of strength, not weakness.

"There's only one thing you can do with a girl like this... Make love once... Then die."

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Maybe Zhivago was spiritually strong, but as a human being was a weak, passive character who didn't have any affect on the world around him. It's not necessarily that he was unaware of what went on around him, rather that he didn't care.

I think Zhivago, for all his faults, is one of the more realistic movie protagonists. Maybe he's not much of a hero, but the vast majority of people, artists and not, have probably found themselves in his shoes at some point in time. How many people actually influence the outcome of events in a significant way?

There may be honor among thieves, but there's NONE in politicians!

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Ah, but Zhivago's art did register - and have a profound impact - on the world around him. His personal poetry turned Marxist-Leninist noses in times of ideological purity before, like Boris Pasternak himself, finally being embraced by the mother country. It was his art (as an expression of his fascination with the wild suffering and beauty of his country) that led him to withdraw, in any clear political sense, from the power-grabbing world around him. Ironically it was this withdrawal that ensured his influence - isolation and independence of mind being key to the artistic process.

But Komarovsky on the other hand, remained an historical hyena, pulling on the coat tails of opportunity and pinching fortune where he may. By contrast his real-world wheeling-and-dealing was the petty and petulant shadow of Zhivago's towering achievement - namely, to move a nation seemingly so cold-hearted and scarred by war and revolution.

"There's only one thing you can do with a girl like this... Make love once... Then die."

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Zhivago was an amiable poet whose code of conduct might only possibly be realistic in a society where everyone is like him. In a present-day Western country it would be difficult for him, and in Soviet Russia it was logically suicide.

Komorovsky is a normal, practical person who wants to live and enjoy.

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I agree with some of that but I must say I think you fundamentally misread Komarovsky's reasons for "caring" about Lara. Some affection, yes, but his true motivation is control and ownership. She defied him and that intrigued him - but intrigue does not equal love. He wants a pretty bird in a cage. That's why she would never be able to love him.

But I agree he is interesting. On a localized scale at least.

"There's only one thing you can do with a girl like this... Make love once... Then die."

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Komarovsky is one of the most intriguing fictional characters ever. I have seen him convincingly argued as being both an admirable if flawed man, and the embodiment of evil. I think it depends on the person and what they choose to look at.

I think in the movie at least he's supposed to be a negative character, it's hard to watch the red dress scene for instance and have much sympathy for Komarovsky. Even so, he comes across as likeable and charming regardless of his transgressions. I do think that he has deep feeling for Lara, whether they're only lust (which doesn't seem too likely) or love of some sort. But quite frankly, I don't think that in the midst of the Red Terror, having gained some degree of respectability and power with the Bolsheviks, Komarovsky would throw it away for a girl he thought was hot.

There may be honor among thieves, but there's NONE in politicians!

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I agree - he didn't risk his relative power for a girl he loved. His Ahab risked it for his Moby Dick. His obsession. His strange fascination with the bird that tried to fly away. From a man that specializes in constructing cages, this can be quite enchanting. But love? Well, maybe - but only a form of love that involves torture and humiliation.

"There's only one thing you can do with a girl like this... Make love once... Then die."

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I think that Komorovsky was more attractive not because of looks but because Steiger is such a brilliant actor and because his character was a man with no morals and yet he still cared about what happened to Lara. He was complex. I've always found the older guy to be more attractive anyway, even if he isn't...attractive.

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Absolutely! At least Komarovsky made no pretence at being a good man! He certainly acted like a selfish swine in the earlier part of the film, but is what he did any worse than Zhivago having an affair and constantly being away from his (extremely lovely and sweet) wife whilst she was pregnant! What if something had happened to the baby? Remember how cold it was up there, and they were hardly living in the sort of wealth they were used to, something could easily have gone wrong with the pregnancy. At least Komarovsky redeemed himself by rescuing Lara (a girl who shot him!) from probable execution whilst Zhivago pottered around writing poetry. Remember Zhivago ultimately chose Russia over Lara. Ultimately the fact that Lara's daughter was known by the surname Komarova indicates that Lara probably eventually realised this (at least for a while) and became Komarovsky's lover again. Obviously letting go of the little daughter's hand was a bad thing to do, but perhaps it was accidental, perhaps they were forced apart by a massive crowd, who knows? I definitely adhere to the fact that Viktor did love Lara (albeit he probably only realised it late on). Anyway, it always irritates me when Viktor is labelled the villain of the movie. What about Strelnikov, a mass murdering fanatic? But the real villain of course was the revolution and communism itself.

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But the real villain of course was the revolution and communism itself.


Agreed, although I don't think Strelnikov is a villain in the strictest sense of the term. If you read the novel, he's actually a more or less heroic character.

There may be honor among thieves, but there's NONE in politicians!

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Have you read the novel? He's definitely an heroic character there.

There may be honor among thieves, but there's NONE in politicians!

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I agree. Komarovsky does love Lara. He is much more sympathetically represented in the novel. He loves Lara, but realizes that if he gives into his love for her, she would have power over him.
It is all about power to him. I agree that he did love her. He did come to rescue her when Strelnikov (now that's a scary guy! Although he did state that nothing, even his love for Lara, came before his devotion to the revolution.He is very true to his word. How Lara suffers because of it!)in his last hours tried to reunite with Lara.If he had only loved Lara as much as he loved the Revolution, things might have turned out well. Lara was always drawn to Pasha's suffering and stoicism.
Lara represents Mother Russia who had been abused by the West (represented by Komarovsky.)Pasha represents the folly of believing in ideologies; Communism is more perfectly suited to honeybees, not people, who love and hate and have myriad feelings and emotions.Yuri,in the novel, stands for the love and honest emotions that are forbidden by the state. Only he,( after all, he is both a poet and a doctor, how many poets and doctors do you know?) can save Russia from Communism.
I suppose you can see that I truly love this film! I hope you are inspired to read the book.

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Komarovsky let go of Lara's daughter's hand during the bombing. Zhivago's brother queried if a "father" would do that. This was the movie stating that Komarovsky didn't love the child, it wasn't his. The child didn't know that Komarovsky wasn't her father, and she cried at the thought that the man she knew as her father was just shown not to care for her as a father should care for a daughter.

Zhivago didn't choose Russia over Lara. He sent Lara with the only man that could help her at that moment in time, Komarovsky. Had Zhivago gone with them, Lara would have refused to stay with Komarovsky, choosing instead to stay with Zhivago. But because of Lara's husband, Komarovsky said they would come after her and kill her and her child. Komarovsky could protect her, Zhivago could not.

Komarovsky was power mad, and his love for Lara was controlling and questionably abusive.

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At least Komarovsky made no pretence at being a good man! He certainly acted like a selfish swine in the earlier part of the film, but is what he did any worse than Zhivago having an affair and constantly being away from his (extremely lovely and sweet) wife whilst she was pregnant!


Um... Komarovsky is a rapist. Zhivago is not. Enough said.

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Wow...

Women that prefer the love of Steiger's character?!!!

Now, Zhivago's isn't a very strong love. His is a love of weakness and last resort... It's true... And in that sense... I can see how a woman would look at him and be like, "Well Lara isn't that special to him."

And I think that's true, to a certain extent. Lara isn't "special" in that she wasn't chosen and posessed. Zhivago, as a poet, loved Lara not because the world reminded him of Lara, but because Lara reminded him of the world he loved.

In that sense Lara is small, instead of big... She is representative in his heart of bigger and broader things than herself.

And I suppose women don't like that. I think women THINK that they want that. I think in their minds they believe they want a man so obsessed and posessive that all he can think about is obtaining them...

I think that's a fatal flaw... If only because men like that are alot like Steiger's character... Posessive and abusive and controling, in the end. That's what happens when you set up one human (a woman) in the place of a god, she becomes all.

The love of Zhivago, is less romantic in the many female minds... Though at a simple glance, one would hardly call Steiger's character romantic or dare call Shariff's unromatic)...

But alas, now I'm simply complaining about one of the many things that piss me off about women. Do you really want a man to be obsessed with your soul as the be all and end all? Or do you want him to love you because of something much greater than either of you?

It seems the former would be perfectly boring.

However, in the end. As a woman, I think I would want to hate Zhivago for his actions. He is week minded when it comes to loving women. What he does to both his wife, and Lara, is despicable.

But I do think we can pitty him. He's a poet in bleak times... He has to hold on to something.

And the fact that Zhivago is by no means a truly reedemed character is what makes this film so great.

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Thanks for the intelligent reply. I appreciate the insight you've given me.

I agree, many men are guilty of loving women as ideas. I believe it's a grave mistake that Zhivago was, indeed, guilty of. And I myself have done it, I'll readily admit...

I understand resorting to the other sort of love in such extreme situations... I also understand women who simply, for whatever reason, have it bent in their psyche to pursue and prefer that kind of love. (I'm not talking about over a figment type of love only, but over other loves that are available if sought out)... We all have our issues...

However, I've also found the arts to be much more logical, reliable, loyal, and fascinating than the female race as a result. o__O

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I think it's because Steiger out-acted Sharif throughout the movie. Sharif was much better in Lawrence of Arabia.

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I will also say that Zhivago's romantic side wasn't very well fleshed out either... As they never once showed any of his poetry... o__O I found that fact annoying.

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According to the dvd, it's explained by Sharif that he was directed by David Lean to act "flat"; he wasn't supposed to act with emotion much to his dismay who had heard of the other actors' accolades.

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Not in the least.

For my money, Steiger's character is flat as a pancake, one trick-pony, and Steiger hams it up like a carnival barker. Ugh.

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It's just that Rod Steiger was a better actor...

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Pudding was a ham, just check him out in The specialist chewing up scenery with the best of em.

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I guess I liked him better, indeed. And while there were many Yuri/Lara scenes that were potential tearjerkers, the really hot scenes were between Lara and Komarovsky. I find especially the rape/forcible seduction scene very erotic.

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I agree, I think Steiger was not a particularly sexy man in his other roles, but I find him very attractive and sexy in Zhivago. He steals every scene he's in, despite his propensity to ham everything up. In contrast, I find Shariff ridiculous, unattractive (An Arab as a Russian? Give me a break!) and totally asexual. A neuter. Give me Steiger any day!

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I'm not so sure Yuri was as weak as you seem to think. Don't forget he threw Komarovsky down a flight of stairs. To do this at anytime would surely be asking for a fight but to do it in front of Lara, well, no doubt, he didn't fear a fight with the tougher/bigger man. And he stood his ground many times during the course of the story. Facing down Pasha/Stronakov (sp ?) on the train as he did was not the action(s) of a 'facile' man ! Pasha could have had him shot in the blink of an eye had he not respected him - no doubt for his assertiveness, strength of character and how he stood up for his beliefs in the presence of death on rails.

What troubled me and does do every time I watch this film,is the way Yuri and Lara treated Komarovsky the first time he visited them. Although he was a bit cocky - kicking up his feet and making himself at home without being invited in (not to mention his/Laras past), Komarovsky did risk his own life to save BOTH their lives and the childs. A truly evil man would/could have made quick work of his competition (Yuri). No doubt he could have summarily executed him and got off scott free (sorry Scotts) - he knew how to talk himself out of most situations. Lara would have been silenced out of fear for her daughters life. Tossing the man down the stairs was a bit much I thought. I'm not saying he was deserving of respect but there was no need to humiliate him as they did considering he was trying to save the 3 of them - he even brought sugar for the girl (sugar isn't a significant bribe considering and he was no ones fool).

Maybe Yuri comes off this way because hes so civilized and juxtaposed with the string of barbarians/ruthless murderers who populate this movie through-out its all the more magnified. If he took some of the actions he did in say a movie based in 30's San Fransisco, he might have made some of Bogarts characters look like a mild mannered men ! Think about it ...

IMHO, you can not accuse Yuri of being 'all talk'. He's the kinda guy that if you were to call his bluff and challenge him to a fight, you know you're gonna have a fight on your hands. I've met the type over the years :-)

I think most men will concede that 'lust' (testosterone :-) is one hell of a demon to deal with. Yuris indecision shouldn't be mis-construed as being 'wishy-washy'. Lara could have tempted the Devil himself. There had to be something 'missing' in the relationship with Tonya. Not that Tonya had anything to prove here, just sayin' the relationship had to be missing a certain element for a guy like Yuri to 'stray'. When I was married, no woman could have led me to even give as much as a second glance. She left me after 18 years, I guess the relationship was missing something !

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Stiger's characer was a brute; he deflowered Christi's character. He was selfish and boarish. While he was attactive enough for his age, his character lacked moral fiber. Sharif was sensitive and artistic, but he did have moral fiber. He was also conflicted (with a wife and mistress). He did stay true to his ideals and did speak up.

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NO! I thought Steiger was an ugly, repulsive animal, and Sharif was sensitive, sexy,handsome,and sweet.

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