What's the point of this?


I'm watching this now and i'm not very far through so maybe i shouldn't be writing this, and it's not like i'll get a reply before the films over anyway. But what the hell is the point? I've been reading some posts on this board and i agree with the guy who says that nothing ever happens. It seems to be showing all these different plots and then going into nothing. Nicholson is excellent, as he always is but i can't see what i'm missing out on because so many people think that its brilliant which i way i brought this damn film in the first place!

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While watching the film ask yourself these about the Nicholson character: who is he? What does he do for a living and what was he in the past? Who is his family? And at the end, who is he running away from, again? You'll see why it's a very intellectually complex film and not a simple one.


D.

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care to answer the questions? i just saw the movie today and was very disappointed of it, thinking about your questions i still can't find anything too interesting about the film.
i don't mind btw movies that seemingly "nothing happens" in them (as opposed to the op), some of my favorites for example eyes wide shut, mulholland drive, death proof, father and son.
5 easy pieces just wasn't such a good film imo, so i'd be happy if you enlighten me. :)

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I'd love to be able to enlighten you, but it doesn't work that way.

I watched Five Easy Pieces for the first time in grade 11. I was in a bit of a slump at the time, and I recognized a little something of the less pleasant aspects of Bobby in myself. (Certain things in the film would later occur in my life, though certainly not by design.)

Weeks went by, and I watched it over, over, over again. I was so moved by it that I often thought about scenes during the day to cheer me up. I bought the Criterion laser disc (!) so I could own my own high quality copy.

It says so much about life, I can't even tell you.

But either you like it or you don't. And plenty don't. But I think it's far better than Easy Rider, the film it's always compared to. Jack Nicholson's performance is practically supernatural.

"Keep on telling me about the "good life", Elton. 'Cause it makes me puke."

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"Five Easy Pieces" is about not knowing who one is and not looking for the answers either.

Who is he? He's a man who works at an oil rig with a friend.
Who was he? A progical musical student who's proficient at the piano.
Why the change? Because he didn't know what to do with his life. He did not recognize the piano as his way of life and wondered around like a lost lamb, working random jobs and meeting random people. And whenever a thought occured he ran away from the answer because he was afraid.
He's always running away (from himself).

Why does he stick around with his girlfriend if he hates her? He hates Country music and thinks she's a simpleton but he sticks with her because she's part of the tide that he's riding.

Look at the last shot of the film: as he's riding home with her he abandons her at the gas station and moves his life in a different direction, again. He's running away from himself because it's in his nature to not question himself and his purpose. He's afraid of being let down by the mundane and routines and even by himself.

It's a movie about a mental road trip that lacks a map with directions and any direction he chooses to follow is eventually the wrong one.


D.

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Nice summary! I'd only add that it's perfect for when the film was made (1970), when many wondered what it all meant. The famous diner scene captures it pretty well: are you for rules or for real?

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if it matters, i also didn't like easy rider much.

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I don't LOVE Easy Rider but it's a good movie. You must keep in mind that the filmmakers and crew were pretty on LSD the entire shooting and the "cemetery scene" was not acting. They were actually tripping out.
It's more about the message than the filmmaking involved.


D.

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I've never been especially enamoured of Easy Rider either. I like it, but it doesn't attain the perfection of Five Easy Pieces.

Draco -- I'd suggest that the stories of "tripping out" have been somewhat blown out of proportion. I don't have any tangible evidence to support this, but it seems to me that such stories only serve to elevate the reputation of the film. I don't doubt that they were high, but Fonda's claim that he's genuinely weeping and trying to communicate with his dead mother sound a bit cynical to me.

Your description of FEP is boffo, sir.

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I HEARD that the cemetary scene was acid inspired, but it's still basically rumors.

And what's boffo?


D.

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Boffo is "spot on" or "very well done". At least I think that's what it means.

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You may never like it if it makes you so angry to start with. I do like it.

It's a picture of a man who is in inner turmoil. His family never gave him something that he needed - I'm inclined to think he needed his father to see who he really was, or to let him know he loved him whoever he was, as he seems to be still hoping for that in the conversation with his unresponsive father late in the movie. Whatever it was, he can't live with them and he can't get free of them internally either.

It seems to me like a household where everyone is expected to be devoted to music.
It's also noticeably a household without a mother - no pictures of her, no mention of her.

Nothing is spelled out but - Jack Nicholson's character isn't able to exist at all, really, as a coherent person. His girlfriend is kind of nothing but love - my guess is her love, love-focus, and warmth are what he was missing, but he's with somebody who gives him only that, cares about only that, and is suffocating.

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This is one of my favorite movies. Bobby is definitely someone who is lost and has no direction in life. The last scene with the father is one of the most powerful scenes in the movie, in my opinion(second only to the ending). What he told his father summed up his adult existence; Bobby didn't know how to settle down even though he tried to get Catherine to leave with him. It is as if he keeps setting up situations to make it appear as though life is worthless. I think he continually sabotages his own happiness, tells himself that everybody in his life "sucks", and then bails.

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I believe Bobby is torn between the different aspects of his character. He is imipatient and bored with his upper-class music prodigy family, and he is turned off by their insulated, upper-crust lifestyle on the Island. On the other hand, he is bored and very frustrated also with the limitations of his girlfriend, his friend Elton, and his job working oil wells, and his intellectual upbringing and piano skills are an important part of his character not satisfied by his current life.

The conflict in Bobby's character is the focal point of the movie. Ever notice that the job he chose, working oil wells, is very hazardous to his hands (that he needs to play the piano)? Ever notice the shocked look on his girlfriend's face, when Bobby defends her from the snobbish criticism of his family?

The scene with Bobby and his father is great, in part because Bobby explains to his father (and to us) that he couldn't take the pressure that was put on him - the expectations to be a successful piano prodigy left him empty, afraid, and unfulfilled. Unfortunately, he is perpetuating the same feelings in going from job to job in manual labor, and running from his friends and an unsatisfying relationship with his girlfriend.

My real name is Jeff

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I just finished it too and I found it totally pointless and a waste of time. Man I'm so sick of watching movies only to discover that I shouldn't have. My time is precious and I hate it when it's wasted. But I keep seeing movies cos one in every 5 or so I enjoy. I must say, Nicholson made me stay til the end. Without him this movie would totally fail. I really struggled to find a point in this movie cos it was about dropkick characters no one cares about

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*** Spoilers included ***
The point of the movie is Jack's character Bobby and how he deals with the life he got. He was brought up in a cultured, well-off home and was brought up to be a pianist. I don't think that he could meet his father's expectations for playing, though. His professional work was minimal, doing rehearsal piano, and his playing of Chopin for Catherine was a bit rough. He had a girlfriend who adored him but she was into country music, which may have been rough for him. Because the family was all about music he didn't have a backup plan for his life and he took out his frustration on everyone else. Going home gave him a chance to try to get back with his family and resolve things with his father, but this didn't work out. In the end he headed north but I don't expect him to be real successful there, either.

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What's the point of any film?

"My car is outside."
"Naturally."

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I think you either connect with movie or you don't. It's a much more personal movie than what you find today. A quiet character study. Maybe too quiet. I respect the people who love it & appreciate Jack's performance but this film didn't really grab me. I'll give it a 2nd viewing one day.

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"Five Easy Pieces" speaks to a tendency by many who attempt to hide from themselves. What do I mean? The film starts out with Oklahoma oil guys drinking beer and hanging out. Bobby blends right in, playing the country good-ole-boy to the hilt. Only later, we find out it's all an act...an attempt to hide from his family, his destiny, his intellect, his musical talent...from himself. It's a shock to see where he really comes from and who he is. He's like an undercover personality.

Let me put it another way...have you ever been driving along the interstate on a long cross country trip, see a tiny town in western Kansas or Nebraska and wonder what it would be like to just leave your present life ( with all of your responsibilities, trials and problems) and do a "Bobby" , move there ,and hide from your past.

That's what the Jack Nicholson character continues to do, even at the very end of the movie. He wants to move through life with his past submerged and his personality camouflaged. He runs away from himself.

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Part of him hates the hicks he submerges himself in. However the thought of being with his family makes his soul vomit as well. He is an ultimate misfit.

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Perhaps the problem is that you post on a message board while watching a movie. I realize it's a few years too late to say this, but you might as well stop watching---it won't get any better for you, and you'll just end up feeling that you've wasted your time.

All these plots? I see one story: Bobby Dupea.




Something smells at the ol' factory!!

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To amy-girl and others who don't see the point of this movie: I love this movie and identify with the main character very much, so I hope the following interpretation on my part will prove helpful to you.

It seems to me that Bobby was repelled by the piano prodigy track he was put on by his family as a young man. He jumped of that merry-go-round and went in the opposite direction from the upper-crust, well-cultured life in which he was raised. However, his manual job on oil wells and his life with friends and a girlfriend who could not fulfill him intellectually also left him resentful and unhappy.

His talk with his father shows that he was overwhelmed by the expectations placed upon him as a youngster, and he feared that he couldn't measure up to what was expected of him - great success as a musician. Unfortunately, Bobby is making choices in life that are also unfulfilling and self-destructive again, and again he is hurting himself as well as other people by leaving when the pressure of expectation upon him gets uncomfortable for him. He is repeating the same pattern in his life over and over.

It is interesting to note that, late in the movie, when Rayette drops in on Bobby and his family, Bobby shocks Rayette by defending her from the criticism of a family member aimed at Rayette's lack of refinement or sophistication. Bobby's defense of Rayette's character, as well his other principled stands in the movie, show that he is not entirely a bad guy.

Anyone who has felt conflict in their own mind about where they come from and where they are going, and anyone who has ever felt alienated from their surroundings and the society they are in, should find something to identify with in this movie.


My real name is Jeff

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I agree, Five Easy Pieces is an amazing film. I first saw it upon it's release, and have seen it many times since. This movie really holds up well, in fact, it seems to have improved with age.

I wonder how Bobby would have turned out, if he would have found any happiness in his life? I know, of course, this is just a movie, but it's still interesting to think about.

Any thoughts about this, anyone?

-AnaElisa

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Ana,

I recently saw this again, and in answer to Bobby's future, it occurred to me one way to answer is from a psychological perspective. To be clear I do not mean that is the only way to answer, but it is one.

The overall relation of Bobby to his family, including his father and siblings, is important, of course. As is the way he relates to his friends and acquaintances.

But it occurred to me his relation to the women in his life is very illuminating.

His mother. I find it interesting that the film, I believe, is totally devoid of any mention of Bobby's mother. Even the scene of family member pictures on the wall did not seem to include a single one of someone who could have been his mother. She is never mentioned. From this one can assume she must have died or left very early in his life. The way this may have affected his development, and his future relationships with other women, is therefore an issue.

Rayette. On the surface, and to the casual observer, Rayette is not only simple but almost simpleminded. But I don't think that is really accurate. I think she certainly gets that Bobby appreciates, up to a point, her warmth and attention. And then he doesn't. This would be confusing to the most aware and intelligent people, yet she wants to stay with him. I also think she gets how conflicted and alienated he feels about his past and his family, but again does not seem to come up with a way to find a way forward with him.

Catherine. While not literally the polar opposite of Rayette's persona (both have a warmth and generally easygoing manner), in many ways she is obviously quite different. What is interesting about her is that Catherine is very much of the kind of upper middle class background that Bobby ran away from years before, yet now seems to want someone of that sort. Or does he? It is interesting that he is both attracted to her, but also does things he must have realized she would find off putting, like the argument about his playing the Chopin piece.

I tend to think after my most recent viewing that the argument about that piece was in part based on him not totally accepting the validity of Catherine's point of view, her critical knowledge of music. So, did his provocation come from something argumentative in him, or was it his real view of his playing versus her approval of it? Hm, it could of course be something of both, but imo definitely the latter was part of it.

Catherine after all is a student of music, who I think from Bobby's perspective does not have a valued and knowledgeable opinion about music. While finding her physically and even socially attractive (on teh surface she would seem to have more in common with him than Rayette does), he does not wholly trust her. In that connection he finds it virtually ludicrous that she would want to marry his brother and live on the island in that house, that environment.

And of course Catherine finds Bobby to be quite problematic as well. In the end it is not mere circumstance that prevents them from being together. They in fact are ill suited, and Catherine does not provide an "answer" to his needs.

Patina. As his sister she of course is not even in the ballpark of any long term relationship other than as such. Bobby loves her in his own way, I think is clear, but he sees her goofiness and related problems. He is closest to her in the family, but she does not serve as a substitute for his absent mother.

In short I think Bobby has issues in how to relate to women, most likely due in large part to his mother's absence from his life. And from that psychological pov that is not likely to change unless he goes into therapy, which in turn is unlikely. As a result he will likely end up going through a series of failed relationships with women, subconsciously seeking an answer that for him does nto really exist.

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