Who IS that Russian?


Can anyone tell me the name of the Russian who sings in the L'Haim scene? (either the actor's name or the character's).

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It is just a random Russian soldier, who decides to join in Tevye's celebration. I don't know the actor's name, and I believe he is just credited as being a Russian. It is to Tevye's credit that he allows the Russians to befriend them for that evening. Tevye is also a personal friend of the Constable. But intermarrying with them...well, that goes too far. Interestingly, in the current Broadway revival, it is the character of Fyedka who breaks into the "L'Chayim" song at the bar, trying to befriend the Jews, even before he met Chava.

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I like that change to make it Fyedka singing in this part. They should have done that in the movie, too.

On a slightly different but related topic, how likely was it that at that time and place Jews and Gentiles would be drinking in a bar together? Wouldn't they have their own, separate bars?




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When my high school did the play in 1976, it was Fyedka who did that - but we didn't have the number of cast that the film did (obviously).

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"It is to Tevye's credit that he allows the Russians to befriend them for that evening."

Taking into consideration that Tevye & the rest of the Jewish community of Anatekva all live in Russia, are they not all Russian too? What are they? Chopped liver?!?!

Wouldn't it be better to describe these others in the pub as 'Christians?' or at least, 'Gentiles...?'


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They didn't considered themselves Russians, they are Jews first, they just happen to live in Russia.

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The Empire didn't consider them Russians either. When, in the late 18th century, the Russian Empire absorbed the large Jewish population from the Polish territorie, there were restrictions, distrust, and huge arguments about how to deal with and recognize these aliens. For a number of decades, during the reign of Alexander II, there was an incremental improvement in the conditions and integration of the Jewish population with the general Russian population, but this changed in 1881, when the czar was assassinated. After that, things got worse very quickly.

An interesting book, _Beyond the Pale_, discusses this very rocky improvement and downfall.

One of the odd developments that grew during the good times was that Jewish girls weren't allowed to attend yeshivas, but were allowed to attend the Christian schools, with the result that many Jewish girls in the Pale of Settlement did, indeed get an education in non-Jewish educational establishments. That the families of these girls allowed this indicates how important education was to them.

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Are you talking about the one with the sexy eyes that looks Tevye and Lazar Wolf up and down as he walks towards them, singing and clapping his hand? Dark hair? Eyes dancing and glistening as he sings in that clear, strong voice? Is that the one you mean?

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That is interesting that in the current Broadway revival it is Fyedka who sings the "Za va sha" bit instead of an anonymous Russian as in both the original script and in the movie. Interesting in that I had always wondered to myself what if it was Fyedka who sings that bit? In some productions I have seen it is his friend Sasha, and in the Stratford Festival production (Canada)it is the Constable, which I felt was a little strange, especially considering he has to tell Teyve privately in the following scene that "by the way, don't be surprised if we start a little pogram in your part of the town, soon". But I kind of like Fyedka getting to sing it because he is the least defined of the three suitors in the script, and doesn't even get to sing.

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guess what, i got the part as that russian guy who sings in "to life" in my school play

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If you're talking about the Russian with the dark hair and beard, that is Sammy Dallas Bayes, who was the 2nd choreographer on the movie. Not sure who exacly played the other ones.

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I don't know, but he looks exactly like my uncle Paul....(random, I apologize)

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Is Fyedka in that scene in the movie? There is one dancer that looks like he might be him but I can't tell...

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in my school's production Fyedka sang it. I think that makes more sense than it being a random Russian - plus Fyedka doesn't get his own song! wonder why?

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Actually, I like that it's not Fyedka who sings the line. It shows that he's not the only Russian who thinks the Orthodox Russians and the Jews can live together peacefully, and that there must be many more who share his opinions.

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Actually, aside from the Pogroms before the Revolution and maybe some after, Russian and Jews got along just fine! Everybody in Soviet Union did.

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What an extraordinary generalization!

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No, Fyedka didn't get his own song -- but then neither did Perchik, apart from a couple of lines in "Sunrise Sunset".

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Well, in the original musical, Perchik did get his own song, "Now I Have Everything."

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Thank you for mentioning the omitted song from the film, "Now I Have Everything." I thought it was a mistake to omit that song as it beautifully expressed Perchik''s satisfaction in finding one thing in life that makes him truly happy, Hodel. I loved the words to that song and truly missed it in the movie.

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A different song was written for Perchik for the movie, "Any Day Now." It's on the DVD extras and on the 30th anniversary soundtrack recording since it never made it in.

However, I wasn't all that crazy about it. It seems to concentrate more on Perchik's revolutionary ideals than on his feelings for Hodel, like "NIHE" did. I always liked the idea that now that Perchik had gotten the proposal out of the way, he could open up and express his feelings.

Plus, ADN's melody didn't do all that much for me. I don't know why they went to the trouble of writing a new song when a perfectly good one already existed, but maybe it was the usual trick of trying to grab at a Best Song Oscar.

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I saw a local production of the play back in the 80s (before I saw the film) in which Fyedka is both the Russian singer and the one who bumps into (and then dances with) Tevya. I really liked it because it's a way of establishing Fyedka as a character and also because Fyedka in the play looked like the Russian singer in the movie, not the rather foppish blonde they had in the movie. Even before his first meeting with Chava, you've got the big important piece of how he noticed her and why he was attracted to her. It also makes him very likeable, so I understood why Chava might abandon her family for him.

I suppose they chose not to do it that way in the film because it would have reduced the positive Christian characters to just one, which doesn't really work in such a large film setting (and because it sounds as though that wasn't how the original play went), but I was still disappointed. In the movie, Fyedka kinda appears out of nowhere and he's scarcely in the film.

That said, I think the movie rendition of "To Life" is still brilliant and really sets up the ethnic tensions in the village. As for why the Russian peasants were able to "crash" the party, so to speak, the Russians in the village could do whatever they wanted and the Jews couldn't complain (European Jews, historically, haven't tended to see themselves, or be seen, as citizens of the countries they lived in until very recently).

That's why the Jews look so nervous--it's a precursor to the pogrom at the end of Tzeitel's wedding. For now, the Russians are happy drunk and everything's fine. But if their mood were to turn, if they were to become offended in some way, it would go very badly for the Jews. Think of it as similar to post-Civil War relations between whites and blacks in the American South.

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thats real nice you talk of the russians as if they are all drunken animals! bigot

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Are you talking about the one with the red hair or the one who is blonde because that is not Fyedka

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I have no idea who he is (was), but he has a helluva voice....

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I LOVE his voice!

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i'm one of the crazies, who likes to look off into the sides of the scenes, and look for action other than what is right in front of the camera, and i *think* that Fyedaka is up in the little balcony area the Russians are sitting in. not positive, but i thought i saw him at a couple of points during the dance, though he didnt join in. i had the impression that, if it was him, he was there as just a 'filler', another person to put up there in the balcony while others danced.

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He really got my attention.

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