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Naive, outdated ,simple minded movie,


Im a big fan of both the last detail and Being there, so after posponing it for a long time, i decided to watch other hal ashby films, namely the cult favourite Harold and Maude.
I don't think the film holds up very well in this time, it is very much a product of the 60's, even if it was released in 71, every character is a grotesque caricature of the burgoise and its institutions, compare for example how buñuel makes fun of the same targets in his movies, he does it in a more subtle way, using dialogue instead of overacting and music to drive the comedy forward, while still being wonderfully subversive. This of course, gains two things in harold and maude:

1) it dates the movie, 2) it lessens the emotional impact the film might have had, if he had handled the subject in a less zany way.

Finally my other major gripe with this film is the titular maude herself, she is a really dangerous character, she is an 80 year old manic pixie dream girl, however displays criminal and horrible tendencies and the consequences of that are not explored at all in the film, i gathered that the film was about growing up and being oneself,but there are no consequences to anything the characters do, that is a lesson that should be taught when growing up.

I liked the WHAT?? reaction to the pills announcement, and i also liked the final scene, even if it wasnt made clear the reason for throwig the car off a cliff, other than to trick the audience into thinking he had killed himself, i mean, the car didnt have a special symbolism to be thrown off a cliff, after all he had modified it to his liking, and if he bailed out, how come he did it with the musical instrument?
The graduate , which i believe shares many themes with this, mainly the one about a Youth who doesnt quite fit into the mainstream society of his parents, aged better because it treated its characters as people, and not as the cartoons hippies believed the establishment to be. (see how far this kind of beliefs got Hal Ashby IRL)

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He drove the hearse off the cliff because he didn't want to be reminded of death anymore. He kept the banjo because it reminded him of his relationship with Maude and provided him with hope for his newly life-affirming view of the world.

I like Bunuel, but I find his view of the clergy and bourgeousie to actually be more didactic and heavy-handed than Ashby's.

I agree that Maude is a dangerous sociopath. Like many suicides, she definitely exhibits signs of narcissistic personality disorder, and I'm glad I don't live in her neighborhood. But, hey, it's a fable, and I don't think viewers are supposed to take her or her actions literally.

I love The Graduate as well, but I don't think it or Harold and Maude should win any awards for subtle characterizations.

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I could say that about most romantic comedies over the last 25 years, yet most of them are not as interesting as this merely simple-minded film, which features a slightly disturbed, off-beat young man who tries to gain his mother's emotional attention by staging acts of pseudo-suicide, while she blindly plays matchmaker for him. In the midst of this humdrum famlial relationship, young Harold starts to develop feelings for a vigorous, non-conforming septuagenarian who is a bit of daredevil.


You know I actually agree with you, OP.

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I just watched this and I wanted to like it, and there were things about it I did appreciate, but I agree with everything you said nonetheless. The message is mixed and so stuck in the 60s that I would have to force myself to be truly inspired by it but while knowing I shouldn't.

Maude is a dangerous character. It is thinking and philosophy like hers that always get you into trouble and no consequence was ever displayed. Harold was a pretty extreme case on the other side, fixated on death and nothing more, so her loopy do and try everything, be "above" morality, "make an ass of yourself" etc. hippie mumbo-jumbo I guess was the opposite extreme to take but it was awful. Just awful.

And the assertion that plucking away at a banjo, doing drugs, having sex, etc. with her is what cures a very troubled young person like Harold.. the doofus-portrayal of the psychologists and religious figures hardly being subtle... is dumb, even if modern psychology and religion is flawed too. Lamebrained hippies like that of the past can kiss my rear. Thanks for nothing you drugged out, morally-depraved dimwits. Way to pave the way for nothing valuable. Always took real problems and made them far worse. And people sit on their hands and scratch their heads wondering why society is so bad now.

As for the car in the final scene, parting with the hearse and leaving playing the banjo I think was symbolic of leaving "death" and his prior life behind and going forward with what Maude taught him. Again, I hardly find that sound. Where was Harold a month from that moment, I wonder? Probably deeply depressed again with a substance abuse problem.

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As for the car in the final scene, parting with the hearse and leaving playing the banjo I think was symbolic of leaving "death" and his prior life behind and going forward with what Maude taught him. Again, I hardly find that sound. Where was Harold a month from that moment, I wonder? Probably deeply depressed again with a substance abuse problem.


Couldn't agree more...

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Are you really calling someone who turned 80 in the early 70s a hippy?

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"Lamebrained hippies like that of the past can kiss my rear."

Yeah, those Holocaust survivors sure were hippies!

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I couldn't disagree with you more. This is a fine film and I guess you failed to notice, it's a comedy! Of course Maude is a dangerous character. Some of the things she does is for comedic relief. The whole film is a riot and has life lessons within them intermingled with the fun stuff. There's a lot of films that seem dated and some of them are; however, I think the message in Harold and Maude is timeless.




RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman 1967-2014... a tremendously great and talented actor.

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Sheesh, what a dour thread. To sum up, several people don't like this film because it doesn't play by the rules of modern indy cinema: it isn't downbeat, nihilistic or "realistic" enough for them. To each their own, I guess.

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How isn't this movie downbeat? Maude dies and Harold starts pretending to commit suicide again.

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Her death actually inspires Harold to wreck his hearse, because it is a reminder of his former obsession with death. It can't be classified as a "fake suicide" because his mother isn't around to be horrified by it. He just wants to get rid of the car, the sooner the better. But your post just re-iterates my point: namely, that all of the haters on this thread want to cram this film into a "Donnie Darko" mold that it just doesn't fit into.

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