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The Aldo in Battle is NOT the same Aldo in the prophecy .... READ !!!!

posted 16 years ago by Positively_Fourth_Street
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FFS !!!!! I just saw another post about Aldo in Battle being the same Aldo as we hear about in the prophecy being the first ape to say NO

It is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be the same Aldo, and here is why ........

If you listened closely, in Cornelius' speech he says "300 years after ape became mans slave, one ape named Aldo finally took a stand and said NO"

And Battle is set at most 20 years after the "revolution" so this Aldo in the "prophecy" wouldnt have even been born yet !!!!

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[–] SuperMarioBros3 16 years ago

Noobs like you make IMDB look back.

Go and watch the movie. The series is not full circle, Caesar had changed the future of not only apes, but also Aldo.

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[–] saybow69 15 years ago

(writers never planned on writng any sequels, so there are few plot wholes) but i know what your saying bout how the future has been changed, corneliuos and zera said it was aldo who first said NO in "escape form the planet of the apes" but was actually thier son ceasar who said NO in "conquest of the planet of the apes" i know future could have been changed, but when ceasar said NO? it was some 20 years before aldo started rebelling correct? i know future was twisted around many times though? but just seems a little off and when they are watching tape in the last movie were ceasar is watching his mom and dad talk on tape, i thought they would have shown zera or cornelious (cant rember wich one said it) sayin it was aldo who firs ape who said NO, cause they did say that during that interview (was tape from "escape" movie) thought it would gave movie better plot for ceasar to know that aldo was gonna try to overthrow him, but i guess taylor landing there did change everyhting

[–] ss5mmyers 14 years ago

You could chalk it up to fate. Ceaser caused the ape uprising to happen much sooner than it would have so Aldo was born sooner than he was supposed to be to cause the ape tyranny over humans. Perhaps it's fate that the apes shall dominate the humans and the Earth will be destroyed. Hence, why the statue's crying.

[–] saybow69 14 years ago

Ya that sounds good, hey have you heard anything on new one being made? Been a guy on here (every thread?) sayin he read the script (some big shot? how you get script? they dont pass those around that easy) and said will be new one and it will coming out. I belive Wahlberg intended on doing sequel from what i remember reading and by the ending, but i think everything fell threw including Tim Burton not doin sequel. But there is a guy all over this site saying one is in the works and will be more like #4? When they took over us (i loved that one) but that`s what he has been saying? You heard anything? Also did you know they were suppossed to end the one Wahlberg did with him landing in Yankee Stadium and apes playing baseball! Haaahaaa! I would have crap my pants laughing! Said was would have cost to much and budget was already over limit, so scrapped! Plus now with new Yankee Stadium,, would have been an error, cause suppossed to be 2024? And new park would have already been built but when made movie they would have used old one? But still that would have been hilarious! Said the producer was furious they didnt get that in, but that would have been classic! I want some more new ones to come out! Love the oldies (got em all!) But i will take new one`s, just wondering if you heard anything? Heard 20 different things? But any info, appreciate it. Take care!

[–] JamesA1102 14 years ago

Caesar never said 'No'. At least not in the way Cornelius & Zira described. But C&Z were just relating a history that they had not witnessed but read about. And because of the time frames involved, the person who wrote said history could not have personally witnessed it either.

[–] Miken_Ayers 10 years ago

Also, who's to say when apes considered themselves slaves of man? Even before they became intelligent, they were still kept as pets and used as show animals.

[–] filmbuff-36 15 years ago

One of the main issues with all "future history" science fiction stories is that people in the future believe that what's been written in the history books is 100% truthful.

My personal explanation for so many inconsistencies in the POTA history and with the Lawgiver (who is shown in this film as favoring interspecies harmony, but in the first film Dr. Zaius said he championed keeping humans in their place) is that at some point after the death of the Lawgiver, there was finally an end to the peace between the species and the apes won.

Humans were driven into the wilderness and slowly lost their culture. Without stability, you'd be surprised how quickly people forget things, and the next generation wouldn't receive proper education and society would eventually regress. There a great nuclear war film from the 1980s called Threads that shows children born after a nuclear attack speaking in short one-word comments, incapable of further articulating beyond that. With parents needing to work 24/7 just to stay alive (the days of 9-5 work week are over) in a feudal environment, there's no time to properly educate anyone. A few generations of that, and I can easily buy that communication would be reduced to grunts.

The apes, being the keepers of history, would naturally rewrite the history books to suit their purposes. It's strongly hinted that the orangutans are part of a conspiracy to keep the past secret. With a relatively small population, they could easily keep things from the masses. They would change history so that that the militaristic, anti-human Aldo was the hero of the apes and in turn remove all references to Caesar, Cornelius and Zira from the histories. Without comupters, libraries or other massive databases available to counteract these claims, they would soon be accepted as fact.

[–] JamesA1102 14 years ago

Excellent analysis!

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[–] Fletcherj119 11 years ago

Caesar changed history by making apes and humans equal, so the Lawgiver would've written completely different "sacred scrolls" (and "secret scrolls" if there were any written this time around) than the ones Zaius carried around with him in the original timeline.

[–] JamesA1102 11 years ago

Caesar changed history by making apes and humans equal, so the Lawgiver would've written completely different "sacred scrolls" (and "secret scrolls" if there were any written this time around) than the ones Zaius carried around with him in the original timeline.

There is no evidence of any of that presented in any of the films.

[–] JoeKarlosi 10 years ago

Fletcherj119 wrote: Caesar changed history by making apes and humans equal, so the Lawgiver would've written completely different "sacred scrolls" (and "secret scrolls" if there were any written this time around) than the ones Zaius carried around with him in the original timeline.

I agree.

[–] phillipsdan83 10 years ago

If I'm not mistaken, one draft of BATTLE ends with the Lawgiver expressing the hope that "our brother Taylor" would find a society where Ape and Man lived in harmony.

[–] Fletcherj119 10 years ago

Never heard that one.

[–] michaelward15 10 years ago

The apes, being the keepers of history, would naturally rewrite the history books to suit their purposes. It's strongly hinted that the orangutans are part of a conspiracy to keep the past secret. With a relatively small population, they could easily keep things from the masses. They would change history so that that the militaristic, anti-human Aldo was the hero of the apes and in turn remove all references to Caesar, Cornelius and Zira from the histories.

I was going to post this very thing. Zira suggests in the first movie that the sacred scrolls aren't worth the parchment they are written on. It's just a testimony to how worthless they are that not only are they completely wrong, but that they don't even accurately reflect the teachings of the Lawgiver.

I think there was probably an oral tradition handed down from Caeser to the Lawgiver who wrote it down, but by the time of the TV series when human and ape societies were divided again it would had be re-written.

There were apparently still contradictory scrolls. The ones that Cornelius speaks of in Escape acknowledged that apes learned to speak at a time when humans already spoke, but the more widely known scrolls contradicted this. I don't think it's any great continuity error. All the scrolls were not worth the parchment they were written on regardless of which narrative they contained. If anything the ones that Dr. Zaius worked so hard to defend were more accurate since the accurately taught that mankind would blow the world up if given the chance. The Aldo in Battle thought man was dangerous and he was right. It would be entirely fitting if a legendary version of him became the hero.

[–] Fletcherj119 10 years ago

You can't really lump the TV series in with the discussion, since the Lawgiver apparently had no part of the California ape society.

[–] JamesA1102 9 years ago

Great analysis! 