power of speech?
why is it the other apes gain the power of speech only when caesar comes on the scene.In "rise" its due to genetics.but its never explained in the originals.
shareIt is explained in Conquest.
The human masters who trained the Apes actually helped Caesar by conditioning the Apes to listen to instruction, however the Apes may have reacted with each order given, and using spoken language. Remember the exchange between MacDonald and Caesar about the emperor moth and how an Emperor Ape, Caesar, would do slightly better. Caesar's intelligence and use of the English language, the same language spoken by the trainers, and Ape language also, made him the "Alpha Ape" and the rest instinctively followed his examples, including trying to speak.
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That's the problem I always had with CONQUEST taking place so soon. I always thought it should've played out a at least a couple of hundred years in the future, giving mankind the opportunity to use genetic experiments to "evolve" the apes closer to how they were in 3955 before they rebell. ESCAPE sets it up perfectly (correcting the error made in BENEATH, which had the nuclear war taking place at the end of the 20th century). CONQUEST could've happened just the way it did in the movie, except having the circus owner (obviously not Armando) bring a descendant of Caesar into the city for the first time. And instead of importing wild apes from jungles, have Ape Management acquire fresh apes from biological labs, results of generations of genetic engineering techniques. Even the TV series had the fall of man take place in the 26th century. It makes a lot more sense that way.
share(correcting the error made in BENEATH, which had the nuclear war taking place at the end of the 20th century).
Even the TV series had the fall of man take place in the 26th century.
The problem in the TV series is in the pilot, they find a magazine with a pic of NYC in the year 2503 and it looks very futuristic. But then in future episodes, the ruins of the cities shown are from modern times. And after thinking about it, I'm calling out a plot hole
shareThe real problem is Caesar is undoubtedly the first ape who has the intelligence even close to humankind, but the rest of the Apes seem to have caught up dramatically fast in the short period between Conquest and Battle. Apes like Virgil even became a know-it-all.
shareIt works within the context of the movie as long as you don't dwell on the relationship to the previous one.
shareBut I can't just ignore the fact that it's because of superior intelligence that Caeser became the leader of all apes. How can there be wiser apes while he still lives? His parents came back from several thousands years into the future, which is an amazingly short time considering an entire species evolved to human level intelligence in that period. Now they tell us the apes mega-evolved their brians in mere decades?
Genetic manipulation is definetely a better off explanation.
I know what you're saying. I always thought that Battle should've taken place in the time of the Lawgiver with a descendant of Caesar ruling that apes and humans should be equal (after traveling to the dead city finding much more mutated humans - and finding a way to deactivate the Alpha - Omega bomb).
shareGenetic manipulation is definetely a better off explanation.
That's a good theory with a combination of the virus and radiation causing the mutation, but it would've been better if it had happened over a longer period of time.
And I always noticed that; the orangs in the cage had those ridges around their faces like real ones, but the ones in overalls don't. Maybe that fact is why not many orangutans are shown in the movie.
The theory that the virus and the radiation combination being responsible for the rise in the apes intelligence is also cited as the possible reason by fans, for the devolution of the humans.
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Works for me, but it would've been more plausible if it took the apes generations for it to occur (as it apparently had with the humans) instead of overnight.
shareCesar taught all the apes how to talk in the events between Conquest and this one
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