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Does anybody pleasant like this movie?


The comments on these message boards are astonishing. Let's be clear - a movie is a self contained work. The circumstances in which it was made may explain, but they cannot excuse,its shortcomings. Imagine saying that a poor novel is a classic when you make allowances for the fact that the author only had a week to write it, was suffering from food poisoning and was going through a marriage breakdown at the time. De Niro and Keitel's performances are painful to watch. I am a fan of both, especially HK, but their delivery of lines was up there with Clint Eastwood at his worst. The dialogue was improvised at times and none of the actors had a talent for improvisation, or that's how it seemed. The sound quality was awful, the lighting apalling. For all that, I enjoyed it. I have no issues with pace or storyline. But I'd love to know what Scorcese would have produced if he had more time and money. It is deeply flawed. It has its place not as a great movie but as a important moment in the history of film.

Now, let the abuse start.

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Mean Streets has been one of my favorites movies for some time now. I love it with all my heart. Now, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I honestly can't see how this movie is "deeply flawed".
The acting is fantastic. Have you actually seen the scene at the back of the bar, when De Niro talks with Keitel? That was improvised. That scene is pure gold. How on Earth can you say that they didn't have a talent for improvisations? Robert De Niro is famous for his improvisations. The fight with the trash bins was also improvised, and many many other scenes were improvised. The dialogue's authenticity is amazing. I'd much rather hear dialogues like these than those "perfect" dialogues, in most of the 40's films.
The camerawork is spectacular, and so's the use of music. The scene with the camera strapped to Keitel's body has got to be one of the best scenes in the history of cinema. The same I could say about De Niro's Jumpin Jack Flash entrace. The innovative use of music was spectacular.

After having all these great moments, how could one not like this movie?

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I completely agree with Vladdus. Angushome, you seem to be expecting abuse but you come on like your opinion is just fact, that's how it is. That's normally quite a surefire way of attracting abuse on this site. Suffice to say I just don't agree with your assessment of the movie. Its rawness, its rough edges, it's semi-improvised, unpolished nature make it tremendously exciting and exhilaratingly refreshing to me. My favourite Scorsese movie.









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Stupid Flanders! I dig the rawness of the film as well.

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Growing up, I spent my summers going to NYC visiting my relatives. I would hang outside a lot (who wouldn't in the hot weather) with my cousins and friends walking miles away from where I was staying. We would meet all these funny characters along the way; most of them were a bunch of fellas just hanging outside chatting. Some, talked, walked and behaved EXACTLY like the characters in Mean Streets. So I guess what I'm trying to says is, whenever I watch De Niro or Keitel in this, they feel real to me. But, thanks to you, now I know these fellas we ran into were a bunch of bad actors who couldn't break character despite their painful delivery. De Niro and the rest of the cast, was astounding regardless of my personal experiences.

And I'm not going to abuse you, a lot of people share your opinion... and just like you, they're a bunch of mooks. :)


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The expectation of abuse came from reading some of the other threads. It seems that people tend to be very passionate about this movie, which is a good thing, but very intolerant and abusive of people who don't like it, which isn't. You guys are passionate and polite.

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This was a great read. That's what I appreciate the most about the film - its authenticity. They feel incredibily REAL. Loved the authenticity of the dialogue as well. Ah, I hope to visit NYC sometime, but hey, even if I won't, I'll watch this film and it will be the same thing.

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I like this movie and I´m very pleasent, soft and furry.



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I'm sitting here, mute, enduring this violent and, frankly, childish and full of stereotypical Italians (except for Keitel - he could never pass for a "guinea", in my humble opinion. This is a "boy movie" and that's who I'm watching it with, my man-child roommate. But not for long. Must flee. I have a TV in the bedroom. This movie is painful to watch, in so many ways.

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You speak relative terms as if they are insufferable facts that everyone with a brain must confront. Once you get outta college you might open up a little more, but until then I wish you the best in not tripping over your own shoelaces and blaming the world for it, you *beep* wannabe critic. I'll leave you with some "unnecessary quotations" in order to make you feel like I'm on your tryhard level. Your post was painful to read, in so many ways ya ignorant schlock.

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I like to think of myself as a relatively pleasant person. I just watched Mean Streets and while I do agree that not a lot happens plot wise, there are two major points you made that I have to disagree upon. Firstly: The Performances. I thought De Niro was fantastic as Johnny Boy and every time he was on screen he immediately grabbed my attention. As for Harvey Keitel I enjoyed him as well. His character was actually a likeable guy in some ways, and I think HK played that firm but deep down nice guy real well. The other point I have to disagree on is the sound and picture quality. The sound and picture are appropriately dark and bring a gritty feel to the movie, which I feel really enhanced the film. Obviously not his BEST work, but I'd give it a 7 or so.

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Mean Streets elicits a mixed reaction from viewers. I first saw it in film school back in the early 80's. I loved it, and I've seen it many times. I would drag some of my college friends, who were film majors, to see Mean Streets at revival theaters in Los Angeles. Some of them absolutely hated the film, finding it incoherent and hard to follow, and cheaply made and slow-moving. My response was always this -- you need to see it more than once. The milieu is very specific -- a small, insular Italian-American neighborhood in New York, with specific types of characters. Scorsese doesn't try to give an opening to viewers unfamiliar with the environment -- he just plunges us into the urban jungle. There are also some niceties of Catholic doctrine that are discussed around the pool table, and if you are unfamiliar with the theological basis for these principles, you will be lost -- and Scorsese doesn't dumb anything down. If you don't get it, too bad, he's not waiting for anyone to catch up.

This is Scorsese's most personal film, and he makes no attempts to make it palatable to mainstream viewers. He just presents the environment he knows, and you can take it or leave it.

There is also a non-stop grim and seamy quality to this film, despite the touches of oddball humor. The viewer feels stuck in this urban environment, which is exactly the emotional and physical state of the characters -- they can't escape their neighborhood, their identity, their destiny.

Scorsese's turns his budgetary and technical limitations to his advantage -- the movies is about rough, harsh people living in an intense urban environment, so the verite, on the fly, low-budget quality of the film suits the story, milieu and characters perfectly. A big-budget Ridley Scott approach would fail. This isn't about pretty pictures but about appropriate style suited to content. And anyway, the visual style is dazzling in this film -- some great hand held camera work. If you freeze a lot of shots on DVD, you will see some excellent compositions.

The use of rock and opera, the excellent performances, the great editing, the expressionistic photography, the great sense of color, atmosphere and all-enveloping gloom -- these elements make Mean Streets a great film. I urge anyone who didn't love this film on first viewing to give it another chance. There are a great many stylstic subtleties that aren't apparent on the first go-around.

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Are you kidding? I love this movie.

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