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How much did Walter know before he joined the Men's Association...


I used to assume that Walter moved to Stepford because it's a good town to raise a family. Walter mentioned to someone in the Men's Association that he wasn't happy with his wife. Shortly afterward, he was invited to come to one of their meetings. It was then he was informed of a solution....
Watching the movie again this evening on TCM, I dont' think that's the case. I think he was clued in on Stepford BEFORE he moved there, which makes him even more sinister.

His character reminds me of Guy Woodhouse from Rosemary's Baby but Guy was clued in AFTER moving into that dreary apartment building. And it was Rosemary's idea to move into that "bad" building.




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Well after his first meeting he is sitting there drinking and he would stare in to space? Suspect that first meeting gave him a lot to process.

"It's the system, Lara. People will be different after the Revolution."

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I think I remember seeing an "uncut" version several years ago with a scene where Walter later mentions that he had already struck up a relationship with Ted Van Sant while stile living in New York.

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I watched it again last night since my first viewing years ago and noticed the same thing. In another scene with his wife, she is upset that he makes decisions without her and lists HIS decision to move and purchase a house in Stepford, CT. I also think he moved there with prior knowledge of the Men's Asscociation and their nefarious business, but probably was unaware of the details until after the first meeting. Plus, there is a weird scene with a cop and a Stepford wife in the road as the family drives up to their new home. The cop looks at them like he knows they are coming.
Ira Levine wrote both Rosemary's Baby and The Stepford Wives which is probably why Guy and Walter seemed so similar and quite callous towards their wives.
LOVE this movie!

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The evening of the day they move in to Stepford, Walter goes to walk Fred and right at his driveway he sees Ted Van Sant across the road and says "She cooks as good as she looks" (about Mrs. Van Sant), in a way that makes it clear they've known each other for quite some time.

Walter knew exactly what goes on in Stepford before he moved there.

The reason he's extra moody the night Joanna finds him drinking alone is because he had just SEEN the process for the first time. before then, he'd only heard about it.

This movie has similarities to John Frankenheimer's "Seconds" (1966).

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He knew that the wives of Stepford were encouraged to "change". But he didn't know the full extent of the program.

The night that he was crying in the dark, he got the full show. He hesitated. Yet he went on. Which means there was something more about the whole program that we never saw.

Which still makes me believe the wives aren't murdered but are brainwashed and conditioned to be whatever the Men's Association wants them to be.

It's "1984" redressed as a feminist horror movie. Love Big Brother or Housework is my highest purpose in life.

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Wrong.
The wives are murdered, as we clearly see in the next to last scene.
Script author William Goldman confirms this in "Adventures in The Screen Trade."

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And if the wives aren't murdered Bobbie would have bled from her knife wound.

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He couldn't know everything beforehand, because no organization that offers illegal services can let anyone in on all the dirty secrets until there's a pledge of membership, secrecy, and a promise of a fatal "accident" for anyone who backs out or break any of the rules. Before offering him membership, they'd have had to establish that he would not only do anything to get a cushy lifestyle and a totally compliant wife, but that he was amoral, completely selfish, and taking in empathy.

And yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one to think of the film "Seconds". It's the same sort of deal, but told from the POV of the man who makes the bargain.

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I've read the book and seen the movie many times. My take on it is he knows it's a good place to live and I don't think he knew exactly what happens to the wives. As many pointed out he seems shocked and troubled the night he is up late and sitting near the fire place. I get the feeling he feels regret but tempted.

I also agree the wives are clearly murdered and replaced with robots, not brainwashed or anything.

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Agreed. He knows that Stepford is full of compliant wives and hopes just being there will transform Joanna, but on that fateful night he learns the terrible truth… but goes ahead with it anyway because he wants to get balls deep in a sexbot.

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