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Worst war movie ever made


This movie is soo bad, I don't know where to start.
What's with all the praise here? 7,5? I expected 4.0 when I came here.

Script could be written by a kid who has no history knowledge whatsoever. Prussian aristocrat wants iron cross? SERIOUSLY? Editing and direction is beyond horrible. I haven't seen so much slow motion in any movie. Even Matrix. Bad taste is in every second of this. Action scenes just don't make any sense. What's up with Nazi generals being unsung heroes and Russians and Prussian aristocrats villains? And with that horrible intro? And ending?

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I would't call it the 'worst' or 'greatest' war film ever made. But because it's one of few films that Hollywood ever made about the Eastern Front....it certainly makes it one of the most memoriable. The Eastern Front was probably the deadliest of any war(over 25 million deaths)

Remember this movie was made in the 70's, and the director(Sam Peckinpah) was one of the first to film slow mo death scenes emerged with the confusing 'shaky camera' effect for realism or at least for the 'like you there' look . His 'style' have since been coppied(and obviously improved) many times over.

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Remember this movie was made in the 70's, and the director(Sam Peckinpah) was one of the first to film slow mo death scenes emerged with the confusing 'shaky camera' effect for realism or at least for the 'like you there' look . His 'style' have since been coppied(and obviously improved) many times over.



Improved? I'd like to see an example where a newer movie improved this technique, in fact I am surprised at how poorly slow mo is done in most movies.

1. He doesn't use a shaky camera, what he does use is rapidly changing camera angles but the quality of each view is perfect. For example, you first see Schnurrbart ('Private Mustache') getting shot from the point of view of the machine gunner and falling backward onto the barbed wire. Then you hear Steiner scream NO, and you see Schnurrbart being shot and falling backward again as if you are to the right and a little behind him (Steiner's point of view). The effect is if you are seeing this unfold from multiple point of views all at the same time. The challenge for the director is to do this but still retain continuity without confusing the audience. I think he accomplishes this well. You experience this scene as if you are with the machine gunner and with the ill fated squad.

2. The visual slow motion is accompanied with sound in normal time. This avoids that hackneyed effect, seen in most recent films, where someone dives in front of someone yelling 'nooooo' in that low distorted garble. Peckinpah's technique is able to emphasize the fate of the actors but still retain normal pacing. I think this technique is EXTREMELY effective and I'm surprised that it has not been copied more.

The one concession I'll make is that the pirouette in slow motion while being shot in front and back is a tad cliche now, but it still works in the scene. If I was making a new movie I would NOT copy it (unless it was a tribute). I understand why Peckinpah did this, the special effect is likely accomplished by having a blood pack and a small explosive under the jacket to look like a bullet exit wound. It was probably easier to have one in the back (boom), pirouette and then have the one in the front go off rather than have both next to each other in the back.

Btw the OP is a troll but I know that you, trfruin, are making an honest point.

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Improved? I'd like to see an example where a newer movie improved this technique, in fact I am surprised at how poorly slow mo is done in most movies.


Did you watch any John Woo film? Or by Michael Bay?

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It's not a proper Eastern Front movie, because it has Nazis as heroes. Eastern Front is very overlooked of course, they only made movies about it in USSR (plus Enemy at the Gates)

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It's not a proper Eastern Front movie, because it has Nazis as heroes.

Steiner isn't a Nazi... Nor for that matter, are any of the Germans in the film except Zoll (the guy who gets his johnson bitten off).

Even Stransky isn't a Nazi. He's just an odious prick.


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»It's not a proper Eastern Front movie, because it has Nazis as heroes.«

Right. So this is a nazi propaganda movie done by Sam Peckinpah then? Are you serious? Oh sorry, I forgot the nazis were still in power over here in the seventies... Thank you for freeing us in 1985! How is Hitler doing? He still must be in Guantanamo or is he out now on probation?

By the way, this is a wonderful unique picture, a western movie on the eastern front from a german perspective through the eyes of one great american artist. R.I.P. Mr. Peckinpah.

ebaeuerle@yahoo.de I Rostock, Germany

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There is one american movie "A Time to love and a time to die", about a soldier who serves in the east front. Plays also in the bombed german cities. Solid movie who suffers a little unter the fact that main actor John Gavin looks a bit too latin for a german soldier of that time.

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If you think this movie has any "hero" you might have brain damage.

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Starcraft rules... the nick says it all.

Juliet Parrish: You can't win a war if you're extinct!

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What exactly does it says?

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It says 12 year old kids can't understand great war movies when they see them.





"Hitler! C'mon, I'll buy you a glass of lemonade."

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but Starcraft is 14 years old )

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What makes the intro and ending horrible? It's horrible because you're too dense to "get it?"

If you knew anything about Peckinpah, you would've known that the man popularised the use of slow-motion in action sequences. The slow-motion montages were a key signature device for which critics then and now praise him for.

I advise you to learn the difference between a Nazi and Wehrmacht soldier. It is you has no history of knowledge whatsoever.

Now go back to watching Transformers, Starcraft, and leave the adults alone.

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This movie is soo bad, I don't know where to start.
What's with all the praise here? 7,5? I expected 4.0 when I came here.

Script could be written by a kid who has no history knowledge whatsoever. Prussian aristocrat wants iron cross? SERIOUSLY? Editing and direction is beyond horrible. I haven't seen so much slow motion in any movie. Even Matrix. Bad taste is in every second of this. Action scenes just don't make any sense. What's up with Nazi generals being unsung heroes and Russians and Prussian aristocrats villains? And with that horrible intro? And ending?


Talk about watching a film and missing the entire point.

As several characters observe, your typical Wehrmacht soldier by that stage wasn't fighting for Hitler, for Nazism, or even for Germany, he was just fighting to stay alive. Even those who started out as loyal Nazis became disillusioned with the war and with their leaders once Stalingrad fell and the tide turned against Germany's favor.

Of course, a lot of people have this emotional need to believe that every German soldier on the front did nothing but daydream about murder and genocide. That version of "history" makes for good comic books and propaganda films, but not much else.

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"As several characters observe, your typical Wehrmacht soldier by that stage wasn't fighting for Hitler, for Nazism, or even for Germany, he was just fighting to stay alive. Even those who started out as loyal Nazis became disillusioned with the war and with their leaders once Stalingrad fell and the tide turned against Germany's favor."

One thing what I like most about "Steiner" is the setting. Those guys are over 1000 kilometres away from home, fighting in the Caucasus, but they are on a very long retreat and none of them would bet a penny that they still could win. Brandt even states that, ironically.

And Peckinpah gives it just the right tone. Think about - the general plotline would in normal cases be a no-gooder. You know they will *beep* up, you know they are going to lose. And in the end there is not even a solution! Kiesel may have gotten away, but may have drawn in later again when the front reached germany. The remnants of Steiners platoon are just left again alone on the eastern front. Brandt may die, Steiner may die, Stransky may die, but they just may get that boat over the black sea and get thrown into the next battle.
But Peckinpah handles this extraordinarily - not only the battle scenes, but that characters and lives on that men on their brink of existence.

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Check out another WW2 eastern front movie called Brothers War (2009). It is the worst movie I have ever seen let alone the worst war movie. It is bad in every way possible. Im sure you will change your mind :-). Cross of iron is a solid well crafted movie. 8/10

Sgt. Jock McTaggart: I just like to fight, with weapons or without.

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I couldn't get over the 70s haircuts and facial hair, it made the whole movie look even more fake than the rest of Peckinpah's work.

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Hm, I did not see anyone sporting an afro there...

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I disagree. The Prussian aristocrat was totally believable to me. And the fact that he 'needed' the medal was believable too, partly because he was so messed up in the head.

And the editing and direction was amazing. I don't think I've ever seen a film that has captured the gritty horror of trench warfare better than this. It's just grim, and brutal, and horrifying, and it portrayed that perfectly. And then the bits where the tanks come in.... you just think, this is insane. They are like horror movie baddies, everyone running around with crappy WW2 rifles and tommy guns and these massive metal beasts come rolling in and dont give a *beep* about anything. They are invincible and just all swarm in blasting everything in sight. Terrifying.

Not sure what you mean about the action scenes making no sense - they make perfect sense. They are not that easy to follow because it's a bunch of germans being sieged by a bunch of russians and it's hard to tell them apart, but the battles were chaotic like that anyway. And it didn't say anything about unsung heroes or not. There was only one bad guy, and one hero. What makes you think it was glorified the nazi generals? The scumbag bad guy was himself a Nazi general...

Can't remember the intro so can't comment on that, but the ending was cool. Not all that believable or well done, I would admit. But it was certainly cool, unexpected, and probably incredibly original for its time.

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Do me a favor my friend, start a new thread called 'Best war movie since Saving private Ryan'. Trolls like this get their rocks off because they know that no matter how foolish their post is, that as long as you reply to them, their title gets pushed to the top.

The reason I replied to you is because I thought your reply was so thoughtful that it should be reposted as part of a new thread. This is an under appreciated masterpiece. It came at the perfect time. It was near enough after WW2 to have original tanks and equipment but Sam Peckinpah had enough maturity to make this a serious war movie and not a silly American snuff Nazi war movie. A movie like this could never me made today. The people who lived this are dead.

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Wow! I can see the bonehead that posted the question has very little knowledge of history or movies. To call this "the worst movie ever made" proves it. I suppose he believes " Inglorious Bustards" is all fact.

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