Over rated?


Suicide, Egyptians, nuscience neighbors, teeth hidden in walls, potential ghosts that hang around toilet bowls, men that dress up like dead girls, and a trip into madness. What is all the hub bub about?

"When you're slapped you'll take it and like it."

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Maybe the movie is not your cup of tea, but I encourage you not to write it off just yet. In my case, it took years between viewings before I realized that it's an atmospheric mystery where a final answer isn't given because there is more than one possibility.

For instance, Trelkovsky is portrayed as this quiet, innocent man. He is scolded for making noise (he's told about a tenant who moves furniture at all hours); the neighbours spy on him from the communal bathroom; he wakes up to find his face covered in make-up; and he awakens on another occasion to find his mouth bloodied and a tooth missing. He seems entirely persecuted and victimized.

But look more closely and we see signs that he blacks out and has no recollection of his actions.

(1) We see him moving a wardrobe in his apartment, scrupulously careful not to make noise doing it. But is he really so quiet and careful? Maybe HE is the tenant who obsessively moves his furniture at all hours of the night.
(2) He thinks the neighbours spy on him; but he's the one sitting in a chair at his window with a pair of binoculars spying on THEM.
(3) He thinks the neighbours are trying to turn him into Simone Choule, applying makeup to him while he is asleep. But recall a few scenes before that when he is going through the dead woman's clothes and makeup; forward a couple more scenes and he's trying on her nail polish. By the time he's seen with lipstick and eye shadow, we can conclude that it was HE, not the neighbours, who dolled himself up this way and that he has suppressed his memory of doing so.
(4) And recall what happens when he discovers that his tooth has been taken out. Several scenes before that, he arrives home after telling Stella about the tooth he found in the wall. He examines his face and jaw in the mirror, as if he's wondering how to extract his own tooth. Later, when he wakes up with a missing canine, we can again conclude that HE did this himself, but without any conscious recollection.

Trelkovsky is ashamed of his actions; he represses them. When he's at Simone's funeral, listen to how the words of the priest become distorted into an accusation. He is so vile that his soul won't even be admitted to heaven after he dies. What else has he done that he's trying to hide? More evil things... like murder?

... More scary stuff is there; it's just not spelled out for us. I think it's meant to haunt us incrementally.

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Excellent, Pear Jade. An absolute, short, precise and questioning analysis of The Tenant. One that is required when viewing the film.

Martin Scorcese once said: "never try and analyze a picture; see if you like it first!" Paradoxically, that is why I enjoy The Tenant so much. Polanski is always encouraging us to analyze Trelkovsky's actions and his motivations for these actions, with visual and narrative hints.

It is quite beautiful to watch how elegantly Polanski pulls this off. A pure mise-en-scéne approach to film making I think even Fellini was impressed by.

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Thank you jesper. Indeed, there is lots to analyze, or wrap your mind around, in The Tenant, which makes it so fascinating...

... like Stella. Is she an innocent victim of Trelkovsky's paranoia? Or is she an agent of death who escorted Simone to "the other side" and is now come for Trelkovsky?

What does Simone's scream mean? Is she terrified of Stella? Is she terrified of Trelkvosky? Is she haunted by something else?

Are Simone and Trelkovsky the same person? A reincarnated person? Or are they separate persons? Did Trelkovsky know Simone previously and blacked out the association?

And that's just the tip of the iceberg...

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What else has he done that he's trying to hide? More evil things... like murder?


Perhaps he anally raped a 13 year-old girl?

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Very.

You mean you forgot cranberries, too?

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Lol.

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I thought thrillers suppose to scare and thrill. Nothing scary or thrilling for me, only thing that scares me is the people who made and people who like this movie. I also watched repulsion and if I want to study human's illness/way into madness I go to mental institutions and get hundreds of better and more thrilling examples. Maybe Polanski wanted to become a psychologist or a doctor but lacked mental stability to become one. I know he was in jail recently for playing a doctor earlier in his life.
The worst however is that one has to waste many hours of his life to find a good movie, because those ratings are just nonsense. Does anyone know if there are true ratings that can truly compare movies and good thrillers receive good notes, mediocre receive truly mediocre, and bad movies receive bad ratings? I guess no such comparison exists since people in general just cannot rate objectively.

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Horror and humor are two of the most subjective genres.

There's this concept, I'm trying to think of what it's called right now...

Oh yes - "Differences of opinion." It basically means that different people will have different reactions to different works of art, and that that doesn't necessarily mean that some people are being less objective than others. Chances are very, very, very good that at least some of the people who watched and loved this movie are no less objective than you. And the only person you're ever going to agree with 100% of the time is yourself. Shocking, I know.

You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant

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Figure it out for yourself, fafu.

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a movie about paranoia. although it's kind of ridiculous how the lead character deals with said paranoia.

obviously, he was written to behave in an unrealistic manner to tie the film up with the stupid hallucination at the end.

there was no reference that this guy had any prior mental health issues. so why the sudden insanity? not explained, just a vague, pretentious mess.

the fact that someone compared this to david lynch is downright laughable. when lynch's stories make more sense then this, you know it's crap.

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Yes it would have helped the film immensely if Trelkovsky had given us a good rant on his previous mental issues. Or if they´d had a disclaimer splashed over the screen stating his history of derangement.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Lol, spot on franzkabuki.

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Lynch is great in many aspects, and he has at times knocked at films better than some of Polanski's, but I think Polanski's films go a lot deeper than Lynch's, which nowadays are mostly puzzles amounting to very little. I loved Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive for their technical aspects, and visually Lynch is a genius, but Polanski has a lot more to say.

--when lynch's stories make more sense then this, you know it's crap.--

And on a surface level, there is no way Lynch's (later) films make more sense than this.

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lynch and polanski are my two favorite filmmakers of all time :)

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Why compare two artists in such a way, the beauty in their films are subjective..

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Sounds to me that you're trying not to like the film. And overrated is one word.

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I think this topic shows up on every message board on IMDb. Does anybody really give a damn what a film is "rated?" If you didn't like the film, fine, but why be aggreived that others did? You are never going to find some mythical "perfectly objective" rating of quality, because we all respond differently to things. If something scared you, it's scary. It doesn't matter that that thing doesn't scare me-it doesn't make my assesment right and yours wrong. If you laugh at a joke, it's funny, FOR YOU. One can spend all day arguing that the joke objectively wasn't funny, and it'll be wasted breath.

-There is no such word as "alot."

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Polanski has come out with some real stinkers, but his early movies are very well executed. I thought this movie was his absolute best but the credit for the story goes to Roland Topor. Either way though this is probably my favourite movie.

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Try underrated, heavily. I meet very few people that know of this masterpiece.

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