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Most amusing was seeing actors who never served....


....in the service - Ryan O'Neal and Elliott Gould and in this film they both remind one of Ted Danson (another no-show) in 'Saving Private Ryan' all 'finally in action'!

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Never thought about that but you're right.

In contrast the Brits like Caine, Connery, Fox and Hopkins all served in the military.

I believe only Hackman out of the American stars was ex military.

Even the British director Sir Richard Attenborough was ex Royal Air Force.

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They were also older and had to serve their National Service, which had fewer exemptions; not to mention Caine and Connery were from poor backgrounds. Hackman was of an age for military service before the escalation of Vietnam.

The point acting is to tell a story via performance. A good actor doesn't need to have served in the military to give a good performance as a soldier. If he has a good imagination, has done his homework and listens to the military advisors, he can deliver just as convincing a performance as an actor who is a veteran. Despite having served in Korea, I still don't think Michael Caine convincingly handles weapons in all of his movies. Schwarzenegger served in the Austrian army and has never looked like he knew what to do with a rifle, except strike a pose.

"Fortunately, Ah keep mah feathers numbered for just such an emergency!"

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Dirk Bogarde also served for 5 years in the Queen's Royal Regiment as an officer during WWII. He served in the Air Photographic Intelligence Unit and eventually attained the rank of major.

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Yeah, I was watching The Hospital the other day and I was amused by the fact that George C. Scott never practiced medicine. What a fraud!

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Alec Baldwin played a pilot in a movie once.

"check the imdb cast list before asking who portrayed who in movies"

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John Wayne wasn't ever a cowboy. Or gunslinger or Marshal or....

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Exactly, guys. This whining about seeing actors playing military men when they weren't in the military themselves is idiotic. You get pilots to fly planes, surgeons to perform surgery, and actors to act. Doesn't matter if they're ex-military or not, only matters if they can get the job done.

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TOm Hanks wasn't an astronaut?

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Nor was he a soldier, although he certainly played one often enough. A marine friend of mine told me he once idolized John Wayne until he found out that he was a draft dodger. Unlike many Hollywood actors, Wayne avoided service in WWII. That didn't stop him, however, from being an unhinged and unbalanced advocate for our military action in Vietnam; The Green Berets was propaganda garbage about how we need to sacrifice the lives of our men to hold the line against communism. Too bad he didn't feel the same about fascism.

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Interesting points but they're all wrong RE: the Duke...If you got a beef with Wayne take it to HIS discussion board-don't cower here...

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Hey, nickm2, here's my suggestion to you: EFF OFF!!!!

It's not your prerogative to set the rules here. I am not "cowering" here; I made a point pertinent to the question raised. If you have a beef with that - TOUGH!!! I will write what I want, where I want, and it's none of your damn business.

And my points regarding Mr. Marion Morrison are absolutely correct and true. He avoided service in WWII. He obtained 3A status - deferred for family dependency reasons. The only fighting he ever did was IN FRONT of a camera.

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Again: You're wrong; take it up on his board--the draft dodger thingy has been combated numerous times....and I shan't eff off either...the cult's efforts to rag on Wayne is not the issue but the one thing that bugs me when they go to projects he wasn't associated with or marginally connected with (12 O'Clock High, Dirty Harry, Bridge Too Far) to 'zing' him....

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I'm not wrong. You are. Mr. Morrison sought and obtained an exemption. Are you denying that? Apart from blanket assertions, you've come up with nothing but an arrogant attitude. And again, you don't make the rules, so don't tell me where I can or cannot write my opinion.

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Yawn-such a thin skinned lad! And a cultural marxist to boot-how boring....c'mon over to the party house forum if you dare! And I still shan't eff off, as you say....
And I REALLY hate to do this but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ_Mt7Zm5hM


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For what reason do you call me a "cultural marxist"? I'm standing up for my position, so that makes me thin-skinned? You certainly live in your own little world, don't you. And I don't think you hate to add the youtubes, much less really hate.

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Oh but I DO hate to do so...I'm just 'bored'

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So I guess you either go for mental masturbation here or the real thing with a massive dildo.

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Yes just as Bobbie Redford never served in congress....but morons like you so wish he had....Bobbie (Redford or Kennedy?)...Jack Our Jack...Teddie....Barakska Chevrolet....Billie Klintonska....makin' a run for how many he banged vs. Jack Our Jack...if only....why? ....Gone are the days....why? (sound of vomiting)

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You will be telling me next Daryl Hannah isn't a mermaid....

The Long Walk stops every year, just once.

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And you mean they don't use real zombies or vampires either? The SAG will hear about this!

"check the imdb cast list before asking who portrayed who in movies"

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What is the point the OP is trying to make? That these actors are yellow-bellied cowards because they didn't serve in the military? That actors who have not performed in their own life the role they are playing in a film are errant frauds? There are probably other variants, but why don't you just state what it is you wish to communicate?

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As the anti-John Wayne brigade are kicking up a stink again, perhaps they would like to peruse a couple of links.

John Wayne’s application to the O.S.S. On page twenty-three in a Los Angeles Times Magazine article dated September 21, 2003 Coming Soon: Living History On Exhibit are photos of two pages of at least twelve of Wayne’s August 2, 1943 application SA-1, page eleven marked in red pencil at the top “22087.” There is no doubt it is Wayne, he uses his birth name of Marion Robert Morrison, his middle name being changed to Mitchell after the birth of his younger brother Robert and his next of kin is listed as his then estranged wife Josephine Morrison with Mrs. John Wayne in parenthesis. Here for the first time is the first hard evidence that Wayne volunteered for potentially dangerous service with the equivalent of today’s C.I.A., and the papers are not out of someone’s attic, but official government documents.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2010/02/28/John-Wayne--World-Wa r-II-and-the-Draft

http://www.archives.gov/press/press-kits/american-originals-traveling. html#wayne
Los Angeles Public Library, Los Angeles, California:
John Wayne's application for employment with the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), August 2, 1943. Wayne applied for, but did not receive, a commission with the OSS during World War II. National Archives and Records Administration, Records of the Office of Strategic Services.







Could we look without a fear,
If we knew our end was nigh?

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Steady on, chaps

"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."

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Hello Fronty, haven't seen you for ages.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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Hi there Squeethy baby, hows tricks.




Could we look without a fear,
If we knew our end was nigh?

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Its called acting.

Sylvester Stallone never served in the military but won Vietnam single handedly.

Its that man again!!

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It appears that John Wayne actively inquired about military service in John Ford's photographic unit, but that's about it. He didn't really push the idea very much or he would have gone in earlier with John Ford and the others. He was worried about his career, first and foremost. Jimmy Stewart and Clark Gable didn't seem to be worried about their careers that much. There was too much else bigger at stake at the time, bigger than their individual wants and desires. Their careers didn't suffer after coming home. And they didn't have to fight personal demons and critics over not serving.

"check the imdb cast list before asking who portrayed who in movies please"

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Does anyone here think that patriotic, military service veterans like Jimmy Stewart, Robert Montgomery, Henry Fonda, Harry Carey Jr., Richard Boone, John Agar, Jack Pennick (veteran of both WWI and WWII), Lee Marvin, or John freaking Ford, would have agreed to work alongside a man they believed to have dishonorably avoided military service? Much less consider him a close friend in their private lives? Think it over carefully before answering.

"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae

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Anyone? I thought not. Typical troll vibe from the OP

"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae

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Wow...way to end the debate. Outstanding.

Jack Pennick =Square Head Larson.

Don't forget Burgess Meredith in that list if you have to use it again.

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of course most actors in this did not do military service.
A more interesting question to me is did any of them avoided it when they could have done their bit?

I think that John Wayne is an interesting example of could he,should he? and James Mason refused military service.
Connery and Caine both served in the King's uniform.

What about Donald Trump? he could have went to Vietnam along with lots of loud mouthed chat show hosts and George W Bush,I think the Americans call them chickenhawks?

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Laurence Olivier came back from Hollywood in 1940 intending to join the Royal Air Force; he had learned to fly for the purpose. Eventually he joined the Fleet Air Arm along with his friend Ralph Richardson, but crashed so many planes that everyone agreed he was more use to the war effort making patriotic movies. So, fair play to the man, even though he never saw active service he put on hold a Hollywood career that he certainly couldn't be sure of rebuilding later, and offered to get into harm's way for his country.

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