Or do you think the family just wanted to make some money off the story? I'm kind of on the fence about it.
shareIt may have started off as just a gag, something to do. But in the end they kept it going for the money. Not enough to get rich off of but enough to pay off bills. For a while George and Kathy were going on tours and being booked like rock stars in other countries.
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I am a bit sceptical, however, I would not rule out the hauntings and demonic activity.
shareI'm on the fence about it too.
George and Kathy stuck with their story all their lives, not that that is proof they were telling the truth.
If nothing supernatural really happened, then I'd say that they imagined the things rather than making them up. Took ordinary happening and turned them into something more, because they were more freaked out living in a house where murders had occurred a year before, than they had realized.
Or I've thought maybe they were people who really into the occult (there are allegations that George was into it before they moved into the house) and were hoping it was haunted, I have heard of people who hope their house is haunted, thinking it will be fun, and maybe they were like this and everything that went wrong they attributed to a haunting.
The fact that none of the other homeowners, before and after the Lutz's, had any problems proves that the house is not haunted. The Defeo's had their problems, but they didn't involve the supernatural.
shareNo, I don't believe it.
shareGeorge Lutz made next to nothing from this story. Jay A. took legal control over the account and fictionalized it. George Lutz could never regain control over this story, but now both of the sons have told their account. I'm hoping the daughter gives her account as well.
shareWould you stop with the "George mad next to nothing" argument. He made his fair amount like everyone else, he just squandered it. That's why he bought a house he couldn't afford to be begin with.
He didn't do all the interviews he did over the years for free. Besides, for his constant complaining he did about Anson getting more... Anson deserved more by George's own admission. George claims Anson made stuff up for the book, well, that's what sold. And if he did,then it was his imagination, not George's, that pushed the story.
"George mad next to nothing" argument.
Classic Kurt. You can't make a effective argument on what I actually said so you make up your own.
I didn't say he got rich, I said he made his share. Early on he was going on tour's of Japan like a rock star. Even later in life he'd get a thousand here or there just for doing interviews around Halloween. Again, he didn't do all those talk shows for free.
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this was disproven after his death
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I'm not convinced everyone is a liar.
shareNo I do not now believe. I believed it when it came out and also read the book, but not now. Some reasons why:
1.) Jay Anson's own book varies from edition to edition about such things as the car the priest drove and other inconsistencies
2.) None of the previous or present owners had any supernatural activity proven in the house. Ronald Defeo claimed "The voices" made him commit the murders. George and Kathy used that, along with the Defoe's defense attorney to write a ghost story when they met the layer. I believe his name was William Weber. He brought over wine one night and convinced the Lutz's to write a ghost story.
3.) Dr. Steven Kaplan, who wrote The Amityville Conspiracy claimed that none of the weather reports related to the book on the days the Lutz's were in the house were not accurate at all. He claimed the Catholic Church was never involved. This is debated because a priest named Father Ralph said that he blessed the house and did sense a bad presence there.
4.) When Dan Lutz (Changed to Greg for the movie and book sequels that followed) allegedly had the window close on his hand. That never happened. In reality, he cut his hand when they were at the house and George and Kathy tended to it at home.
5.) Sources say George never woke up at 3:15 am. That time was consistent with the time of the murders of the Defeo family, and the Lutz's wanted to put that time element in there to make the story more creepy.
6.) Dr. Steven Kaplan and other sources claim that the real reason the Lutz's left the home was because of the furnace not working. This was the basis for the movie and book about George being "cold" all the time.
8.) The "Red Room" in the basement never existed. All the black goo from the walls and toilet was fabricated.
9.) Experts went to study the front door that got ripped off it's hinges, and believe that the original door had always been there.
10.) In The Amityville Horror book, Jay Anson claims that "Spirits cannot extend their powers across water." Yet, after the Lutz's moved to California, across water, they claimed they still had supernatural things happen to them in another book.
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Jay Anson's own book varies from edition to edition about such things as the car the priest drove and other inconsistencies
None of the previous or present owners had any supernatural activity proven in the house.
George and Kathy used that, along with the Defoe's defense attorney to write a ghost story when they met the layer
Dr. Steven Kaplan, who wrote The Amityville Conspiracy claimed that none of the weather reports related to the book on the days the Lutz's were in the house were not accurate at all. He claimed the Catholic Church was never involved. This is debated because a priest named Father Ralph said that he blessed the house and did sense a bad presence there.
When Dan Lutz (Changed to Greg for the movie and book sequels that followed) allegedly had the window close on his hand.
Sources say George never woke up at 3:15 am. That time was consistent with the time of the murders of the Defeo family, and the Lutz's wanted to put that time element in there to make the story more creepy.
Dr. Steven Kaplan and other sources claim that the real reason the Lutz's left the home was because of the furnace not working. This was the basis for the movie and book about George being "cold" all the time.
The "Red Room" in the basement never existed. All the black goo from the walls and toilet was fabricated.
In The Amityville Horror book, Jay Anson claims that "Spirits cannot extend their powers across water." Yet, after the Lutz's moved to California, across water, they claimed they still had supernatural things happen to them in another book.
All of us here agreed that Anson's book was a total fiction, cover to cover.
He failed to explain how the Defoe family members were all killed if there wasn't thunder covering the gun discharges. The police found the bodies in their beds much as they were when they were sleeping. No coherent, credible explanation has been given for that. Just speculation.
The local Amiityville news team still challenges people to explain why the Lutz family left their boat and motorcycles. People with financial problems don't leave behind those kinds of valuables. Got a theory?
According to paranormal "experts", entities can follow family anywhere if the entities have the power to do so. And on some occasions this is alleged to happen.
Yes,this whole story is total fiction. We finally agree.
If you mean coherent like the kids were scared and hid in bed, a simple a plausible explanation, then yes one was given.
If you mean coherent as in ghost demons trapped them in a dimensional vortex or some such, no,no coherent explanation has been given
On The History Channel's Fact or Fiction the reporter that covered the story of the seance says the whole thing was a big joke. One of his assistance, who didn't work for the network long after, was the one saying it was real. You however keep acting like the whole news team 100% backs the whole story up.
Also,George and Cathy went back for all, yes all,their stuff. So the story's hype of them leaving everything behind is just that, hype.
These same experts in this case have also made statements about the existence of leprechauns, werewolves, and a demon doll. And let's not forget the other paranormal cases they've been involved with that were proven frauds.
I believe it 100%. My grandparents knew Warrens who investigated this case. I actually met them once as a kid in the early 80s. My dad casually commented about the truth/fiction of Amityville in a joking way. I remember Lorraine going from very friendly to serious. I don't remember her comment. I was very young but my dad has told me she made it clear that what the Lutz family experienced was very real to them and what she experienced was very real too.
I've read all I could on this along with reading about the Warrens. My grandparents were very well known respected people who I know wouldn't spend time with fakes or liars. Back when the Conjuring came out my grandma was dying and when I mentioned the movie she waved her hand saying she didn't want to hear gossp about them. They were her friends. My grandma rarely spoke of what the Warrens did and I remember being shocked one day seeing them on ghost show I was watching as a teen. I called my dad and he was like "Oh yeah you didn't know?" Lol
My point is I believe that the Lutz's believe this happened. Why would anyone lie about this or go through what they want through? My grandparents went to one lecture George did and my grandma referred to him as "A poor soul".
Amnityville ruined their life. Forever. I saw a great documentary interviewing one of the sons and you can tell his life was ruined and he has major issues from it.
All in all this family was completely messed up from what went on in this home.
I've read all the conspiracies too so I've got a clear mind on both sides.
I feel it was demons out to ruin and hurt them. I believe what they say.
I know many disagree and that is fine with me. I feel very sorry for this family. This happened in the 1970s for goodness sake and they are still being judged for it. They have never loved a normal life after this. Who would willingly go through this? They made no big profit either. I know that for a fact.
For those who say nothing has happened in the home sense I see that more as it being a demon. Demons are more likely to attack people, not land or homes. I feel it was more George who was under attack for one reason or another. Likely due to experimenting with the occult. This opens doors for such thing. Him being attacked opened doors for those he loved to be attacked.
So when new people move into a "haunted" home they will rarely see or hear anything because it isn't aimed at them.