I heard that the real ronald dafeo that shot his whole family claimed the devil or demon spoke to him through the dog and not his headphones like in the amityville 2 movie. Has anyone else heard this? Was that just him trying to claim insanity?
sharethe entire amityville 2 movie was total crap, even throwing in an incest story with his sister.
DeFeo has given at least 5 or 6 different versions, but all of which do not admit he was guilty. He said it was a robbery, then the mob, then he was possessed, then he claimed he killed his sister Dawn in remorse for her killing the rest of the family.
One story said that he was watching a movie and a black handed demon came in and gave him the rifle, but he was on LSD at the time and had no clue what he was doing.
In the past few years, evidence has popped up that may lead to another person involved in the murders. A DEA agent said that back around 1974, he was doing surveillance on the DeFeo house. He noticed Dawn coming out of the house in her nightgown, wearing a coat and a pair of black gloves. She drove out to the pier and dropped something in the water. Police went to that spot and discovered the Marlin rifle which was used in the killings.
Dawn's attire leads to speculation that she was the 'black handed demon' and had killed the family.
Some have speculated that Dawn and Ronnie had planned to only kill their parents, but in the frenzy of it all, Dawn wasted everyone.
You can see a documentary about the whole thing including the Lutz story on a BBC documentary called 'The Real Amityville Horror'. It's on youtube, and lays the groundwork for showing that the Lutzes experiences were a hoax.
"He noticed Dawn coming out of the house in her nightgown, wearing a coat and a pair of black gloves"
That's bs and you know it. Their was never surveillance on that house, except in Ronnie's head. She was found face down sleeping in her bed, all appear to have been shot within the same 5 min period. Don't give that pathological lier any credit.
So says Mr. Stewart
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Amityville II was of course a prequel and suppose to take place in 1974, but we see a Walkman which did not come out until the early 80s. Butch has changed his story so many times, he can't keep up with the lies.
sharePeople who investigate the paranormal state that demonic influence occurred in this house. I wouldn't disregard their testimony, since many people in the world believe there is an afterlife, and good/evil exists. Too many atheists way in on this story with narrow minded opinions, and I think some balance is in order.
As I stated before, a well known and respected Medium stated that Ron was influenced by a demon and so was his sister. While I don't personally have proof of that, the atheists don't have proof to the contrary either.
Let me break it to you Kurt. I am not an atheist. I go to church every Sunday and several times a week during Lent and Advent. I definitely believe not only in an afterlife, but I do believe in hauntings and other supernatural phenomena. I do NOT believe anything about the supposed haunting of the Lutz family in Amityville.
People stop receiving the benefit of the doubt when the simple facts of their story reveals lies. The Lutzes claimed to have seen cloven footprints in the snow, yet there was absolutely no snow on the ground for the entire time they stayed in the house. They claimed the locks on the house were damaged, but absolutely no damage was ever seen on the locks. They claimed the police were called and made several visits. However the police have no record of the Lutzes ever calling the police. Several people, including George Lutz, have admitted that the entire thing was a hoax, although George eventually retracted his statement.
No matter how minor a lie is, when you feel you have to lie about the little things in your story, your story as a whole no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt.
When someone says they have been haunted or possessed by a demon, it is not up to other people to prove them wrong. If they feel that people should believe them, the burden of proof is on them. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to believe there is an iota of truth to this story.
Ronald was a drug addict. That answers your questions. First he tried to say it was the mafia that killed his family. This is what cold hearted murderers do. Same with Jodi Arias. She changed her story like 983r7689347698 times because she was doing whatever she could to get out of her situation.
shareOnce again, various paranormal groups disagree with your claim that it was merely a drug issue. Yet another atheist with all the answers.
Who cares if paranormal groups disagree. They obviously did not look into the case since it was proven over and over and in court that he abused drugs. He even admitted to it after the murders.
shareIt's interesting how you dismissed any and all paranormal investigation into this case. I don't disagree that George had problems of his own, but to disregard a possible demonic attack is just like claiming there is no afterlife or soul. Believe what you want and work it all out after you die? Hope that works out for you.
share"I don't disagree that George had problems of his own, but to disregard a possible demonic attack is just like claiming there is no afterlife or soul. "
This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen in my life. That is complete and utter nonsense. Disregarding a possible demon attack is absolutely in no way even close to being similar to a claim that there is no afterlife or soul. Those are two separate and not related statements. I believe totally in souls and the afterlife, but the Amityville story is a badly told lie.
Why should we not dismiss the paranormal investigations on this story? Should we assume that they are just trying to help and would never lie about such a thing? Are you assuming they must be telling the truth and have nothing to gain by lying? Paranormal investigators get money and fame for what they do. How many movies about Ed and Lorraine Warren's cases have been made into movies lately?
The problem here is that you feel everybody's word should be taken at face value because you want to believe their story. That's fine if you want to, but don't expect others to be as blind as you are being.
I don't believe in demonic possession or ghosts. There's absolutely zero proof of its existence. We don't even know if there is an after life.
share>but to disregard a possible demonic attack is just like claiming there is no afterlife or soul.
Lol.
Kurt, I am a Paranormal Investigator, and the "well respected" parties involved in the case are neither well respected, nor reliable. The Lutzes have indeed been caught in lies on several occasions, and also have shown themselves incapable of agreeing even amongst themselves. The Warrens have also shown constant discrepancies in their own stories, and due to the way they attached their names so insistently to the "reality" of this story, have also rendered every case they ever investigated useless to study. Ours is a field that is constantly belittled, laughed at, and dismissed off hand because of people like the Warrens, and the Lutzes, who use these stories for attention, money, or whatever else they can get, and it makes our jobs harder. I can easily estimate that 95-99% of what you here, depending on which aspect of the Paranormal is being discussed, is either exaggerated, or completely false, and it becomes very frustrating for those of us seriously trying to gather accurate data.
shareActually, Christopher Lutz has stepped forward to state that the house was haunted but that Jay Anson authored a fiction book. This is another example of why I haven't dismissed this case as lies.
shareYes, but drugs can explain the visions he claimed to have.
shareLOL, anyone who disagrees with you is an atheist. LOL
Religious fundamentalists (like you) usually call people who disagree with them "communists" or "socialists", not atheists. At least get it right.
I've been involved in four discussions with people on various IMDb who openly stated they're atheists. A lot of atheists watch horror and type comments on these boards. Generally people that don't believe in ghosts, and even get mad about it even being suggested, also get mad at the notion that people have souls and that God exists. And I'm not a fundamentalist by any stretch.
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I've always doubted the Lutz' story. But the one thing that has always been a head scratcher for me is how Ron Defeo shot his entire family,and nobody in the house was awaken by the sound of gunshots.
share"I've always doubted the Lutz' story. But the one thing that has always been a head scratcher for me is how Ron Defeo shot his entire family,and nobody in the house was awaken by the sound of gunshots."
It has never been said that none of the family members woke up. In fact, it is generally accepted that both Louise and Allison were woken by the gunshots.
I'm of the opinion that after he killed his mother and father he may have ordered all his siblings to lay face down in their beds before he shot them dead. I could be completely wrong but it is a sensible theory.
What I don't understand is how no one else in the neighbourhood heard the shots. It was in the winter so maybe the wind was howling that night (especially being so close to the water) and muffled the sounds of gunshots. Again, I could be wrong on this.
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There are plenty of people that don't believe the Lutz story, but no one can explain why they left in 28 days, if they had financial problems. 28 days isn't enough time to get into financial trouble.
Then they left everything, including a beautiful boat and Harley motorcycle. No one with financial problems would leave those things.
The two boys in the family that grew up in the house have done interviews.
Daniel Lutz is in a documentary called, "My Amityville Horror.
Christopher Lutz- has done interviews include two for a radio program called Coast to Coast.
I've always been intrigued by the story, but I'm siding with the people that say it was made up in order to gain some financial compensation. They seemed like nice enough folks and just so happened to know an author and they pretty much took it from there. I'd imagine the had no idea how huge the story would be (the legacy lives on to this day) and it took off from there. I was a pre-teen back when the book came out and I knew every neighbor in sight read it.
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The warrens are damn frauds.
sharehttp://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/amityville.asp
They would if they wanted their "story" to seem real so they could try and make money off of it.
Even on of the kids says that the story is fake.
It is understandable how somebody in 1985 might think the story is true. But today? It's really laughable that anybody still believes it.
Do some research.
Demonic activity, my ass.
sharelol snopes is a joke.
share"lol snopes is a joke."
What an amazing refutation of the facts of the case! I must tip my hat to you for your incredible use of knowledge, detail, and language to discredit the provided article! I would also challenge you to refute this as well!
http://www.ghostresearch.org/articles/amityville.html
I read The Amityville Horror & Murder in Amityville. According to parapsychologist Hanz Holder, Ronald Defeo's defense in court was he was possessed by an Indian Chief's spirit who wanted everyone off his land by any means necessary. This theory played right into the Lutz' theory of the house being haunted. His attorney, William Weber admitted he & the Lutz' fabricated the whole story over bottles of wine. Ron has changed his story so many times, so anything he says is not credible IMO. First he claimed it was a mafia hit. Then he claimed he overheard his family conspiring to kill him,so he killed them in self defense. Another time he states he killed his father, but Dawn killed their mother,2 brothers, & sister, & was about to kill him, so he shot her in self defense.
shareGenerally people that don't believe in ghosts, and even get mad about it even being suggested, also get mad at the notion that people have souls and that God exists. And I'm not a fundamentalist by any stretch.
Prove that people have souls and God exists. What evidence do you have to back up your claims kurt?
I await to see the evidence you provide (which you won't since you can't prove they exist).
Well, I don't think anyone can prove something we can't see exists or doesn't, the closest I've heard to an allegory for that is: you can't see the wind but you can see it's effects. Believing in God is a personal thing. I was raised Catholic, so I had that foundation, but you also go by your own experiences. There are things I have seen that to me say there is, but that doesn't mean someone else would agree.
As a neighbor/friend of mine once said, "If it isn't true, I had nothing to lose by believing, and if it is true, then God will be pleased with me."
Anyhow, back to the original topic, I read in Hans Holzer's Murder In Amityville that Ronnie admitted to making up hearing voices in order to get an insanity plea. I've read many old articles about the trial and I haven't seen any of them claim that Ronnie was possessed.
You read all this stuff that there were legends and stories of Indian burial grounds and hauntings before the murders, but where are the sources of that information? I've never seen one named. At least not about these tragedies that occurred to every family that lived there. They said the Indian info was at the Historical Society but now it's not there. Was never there, or removed? Who knows?
The real yard is not that big, so if there is an Indian burial ground, wouldn't the surrounding houses be affected? Because you would think there'd be Indians there too. Also, the DeFeos had a pool dug, wouldn't they have uncovered something?
So if you're to believe in the Indian theory, Holzer's one Indian makes more sense than Anson's burial ground (and I read that it was Massapequan Indians in that area, not Shinnecock.).
Ronnie was into drugs, yes. I do not believe the Dawn theory, she was found in a natural sleeping position.
My guess is, if the Lutzes did have paranormal activity, it was brought on by the murders and possibly George being into the occult. That, and I think they were more nervous living in a house where murders were committed than they thought, and their imaginations exaggerrated natural happenings.
I don't know for certain. I worked with George at a call center in 2001. He seemed liked a pretty nice guy and all. Although he seemed to stretch the truth once in awhile. But that doesn't mean that he was lying about this. But if I had to go with my gut feeling, I would say he had a very active imagination and it might have gotten the better of him when he saw he could make some money. But, that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.
shareYou worked with George Lutz in a call center?
OK...
Christopher Lutz is coming out with his book soon. The film was fiction because the author bought the rights to the story and then turned it into a fiction. But the Lutz children have made it clear that the house was haunted.
The children complained that once Jay got the contact for the book rights, the Lutz family lost control of their version of the story.
I look forward to Christopher's book.
Yeah we worked tech support for Earthlink back in the dial-up days. Its weird because I had no idea who he was until a documentary was on TV. They showed a recent pic of him and I was like hey, that's George! I emailed another guy who worked there and he told me that he asked him about it once but, he didn't like to talk about it.
shareThat's interesting. I'm wondering what his step-son Christopher will have to say.
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