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Ironic reference to Pennsylvania


Isn't it ironic how there a line in the movie that says "Render an area the size of Pennsylvania permanently uninhabitable" and 3 weeks after the movie's release the accident at Three Mile Island?

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3 mile island was a publicity stunt for this film.

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yeah right, if the movie business staged an impending nuclear power plant failure then they'd look at being sued by the whole state of pennsylvania or even by the american people for creating so much fear when it was unnecessary. Idiot.

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Well the people that live there such as myself believe different.And EVERYONE thought that last plane was flying toward tmi.....

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A similar psy-op event planted in a movie is the controlled demolition of the skyscrapers in "Fight Club," a completely scripted "prophecy" of 9/11.

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or the Kilgore scene in Apocalypse Now using Wagner

"Big Duke Six to Eagle Thrust - put on PschWar Ops, make it loud, to a Romeo Foxtrot, shall we dance?"

or you can see my Napalm in the Morning Juke Box below

edit - the movie transcript is incorrect [once again] where Psch should read psy

also there are now 22 Kilgore "variations on a K-string" and not 16

http://www.familyktab.com/Napalm1/

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It was actually 12 days after the film was released, which was really ironic. I saw it the day it was released, and brought my boyfriend to see it after the TMI incident. Nobody noticed the Pennsylvania line before March 28, but afterward, nearly everyone in the theatre cried "Oh, My God!" or "Oh, *beep* when they heard that line!

Three Miles Island was NOT a publicity stunt. My father had to evaluate the people working there after the incident, and everyone working there had post-traumatic stress syndrome - and those were the best cases.

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It was actually 12 days after the film was released, which was really ironic. I saw it the day it was released, and brought my boyfriend to see it after the TMI incident. Nobody noticed the Pennsylvania line before March 28, but afterward, nearly everyone in the theatre cried "Oh, My God!" or "Oh, *beep* when they heard that line!


I had just the opposite experience when that line was spoken. Up until that moment in the theatre, there was the normal chatter in the audience. Right after that line was spoken, you could hear a pin drop. I never experienced silence like that, before or since.



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Yeah, the film wasn't doing very well in the 12 days after it was released. Until Three Mile Island happened on March 28, 1979. Then people flocked to see it.

I saw it right after also, and there was an audible collective gasp in the theater when he said the Pennsylvania line.





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Isn't it even more ironic that the damage result of TMI-2 was zero dead, zero injured and zero cancer cases?

/J

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Even more ironic is that people who fled the area and flew to places away from TMI received a higher dose of radiation than those who stayed!

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I would like to see where you heard that from. I can't fanthom how in the world you get less radiation staying NEAR the source than moving away from it!

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I believe bill-2261 was referring to the fact that people staying near the plant received very small amounts of radiation exposure, while anyone who flew commercially to get away from the plant would have received larger exposures due to solar radiation.

When you fly at high altitudes, there is less atmosphere shielding you from the sun. As a result, you are exposed to more dangerous solar radiation on a commercial plane than you are on the ground.

The average member of the public who was within 10 miles of TMI-2 received a dose of 8 mrem from the plant, and the maximum public exposure was 100 mrem.

For comparison, a person receives an extra dose of 0.5 mrem for every mile they travel while flying commercially. So anyone who flew 16 miles that day got more of a dose than the average member of the public near the plant, and anyone who flew 200 miles received a larger dose than the maximum. Anyone who flew from NYC to LA got a dose of radiation 15 times larger than the maximum received near the TMI accident.

Anti-nukes often forget (or just never realize) that there are lots of natural sources of ionizing radiation. In addition to that, there are plenty of man-made sources that cause far more exposure than nuclear power, yet the public considers them perfectly safe.

An average American is exposed to about 360 mrem of ionizing radiation a year, with most of it naturally coming from the sun, the ground, our food, and our water. The rest comes from man made sources, and only a trace amount is linked to commercial nuclear power.

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The effect of ionizing radiation in small doses is unknown. It is difficult to study since we receive small doses all the time, so it is impossible to generate a control. Furthermore, the effects are subtle and/or long term, making in depth studies problematic.

For a long time, it has been assumed that all radiation exposure is bad and that the negative effect is linearly proportional to the exposure. There is no scientific basis for this. It started simply as a conservative assumption when nuclear science started. It still remains as an assumption, even though few nuclear scientists believe it to be true. The idea is simply that if we treat radiation as if it were this dangerous, then any engineering decisions make based on that idea will have an extra factor of safety built into them.

There have been a few studies that have attempted to address the risk of low radiation doses. Many of these have come to the conclusion that small doses of ionizing radiation could actually be good for you. This conclusion makes sense when one considers that the Earth environment we evolved in is a radioactive one.

But the science is far from settled in either way. However, even if the assumed linear relationship between exposure and health risk is true, the exposure we get from things like commercial air travel and nuclear power have a far smaller impact on our health than many other things that we readily accept in our lives. For example, even in a worst case scenario where cancer risk scales linearly with exposure, you are still more likely to die in a car crash driving to a destination than you are from cancer if you flew there.

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Sounds more like a lucky escape than irony to me.

If it's the case that the people who worked there all had post-traumatic stress problems, what does that suggest to you? I doubt the workers at a nuclear plant are ignorant anti-nuclear hysterics who would get stressed out over something that wasn't actually hazardous.

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Uhm... so what you are trying to argue is a case where you're having a major accident at your workplace, you don't really know what's happening and in the end it turns out that the brand new plant you were in charge of monitoring has turned to junk... and this you are saying is not enough to give you PTS?!

/J

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Additional Information:

1-When Three Mile Island happened on March 28, news chiefs asked their staff who had seen the movie CHINA SYNDROME. Those that did got the assignment.

2-Governor Thornburgh of Pennsylvania allowed himself (or ordered himself) to be filmed as he tried to ascertain what measures to take that day. That filming was later made into a documentary (Frontline?) shown on PBS.

3-That documentary reported that there were only 2 telephones at the plant, and both were busy (this was before call waiting) so the Governor and others could not get through for quite some time. The documentary also showed a company PR guy trying to at least partially snowball/stonewall reporters.

5-That documentary suggested that they came fairly close to a meltdown - part of the core had disintegrated. Apparently things were touch and go in Pennsylvania, as they were in China Syndrome.

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TMI-2 wasn't "fairly close to a meltdown". It *was* a meltdown. The whole core became seriously damaged and completely unusable... half of it melted, and the other half completely messed up.

/J

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>Isn't it even more ironic that the damage result of TMI-2

I thought you were talking about 9/11. So if the 4th plane had hit it's target on 9/11, it would have been TMI-3?

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No, I seriously doubt that. Plowing a plane into a nuclear power plant would most likely just make the attackers look like idiots because nuclear plants can take it. Remember that is wasn't the impact that brought down WTC 1, 2 and 7... it was the fires that weakened the structures.

An aircraft has very little structural strength. It's just an aluminium tube with flesh, soft baggage and fuel onboard, none of which is very good at smashing solid structures apart. The only really solid parts of a plane are the engines, and they are too far apart to impact the reinforced reactor containment together.

What would happen is a huge fire on the outside, but at most I think the re-evaluation after 9/11 said that on the inside they could expect maybe some cracks and spalling of the concrete. Of course the plant would go offline but there's no real danger to the reactor tank from a plane crash. They'd just SCRAM/trip it and then keep it cool while the decay heat fades.

More likely targets for flight 93 would have been the White House or the Capitol. I think Tom Clancy is pretty relieved they didn't get that far....

/J

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