How is this Sequel possible?


I haven't seen this film, but I recently saw the original and that was an amazing film. Anyways I'll get to my point. In the end credits of American Graffiti, it says that John Milner died in 1964 when he is hit by a drunk driver, now, apparently he is still alive and his friends who I believe went to a 4 year college, graduated and returned. This is amazing since the first film took place in 1962. So basically I'm asking how the hell is this possible?

-but like I said, I haven't seen this film, but still I just wanna know if they even try and explain this problem.

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First of all, More American Graffitti is not remake of American Graffitti. It was released as a sequel to AG in 1978.

If you watch the movie, it would answer all your questions. MAG takes place on 4 consecutive New Year's Eves from 1964 through 1967.

This has been discussed previously on messages posted here also, you can check those out.

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It was assumed that in approx. August 1962, Steve was supposed to be leaving for college...but at the last second (so as not to leave his girlfriend) decides to go to Community College for a year and then eventually transfer (which we all know won't happen.) Milner dies in 1964 when a drunk driver hits him. Terry dies in Vietnam in 1965.

NOW ON TO MORE AMERICAN GRAFFITI
Act I (December 31, 1964): Milner gets killed. Steve & Laurie are married and expecting twins. We assume Steve did a year of community college and continued to date Laurie while she was a Senior in high school...and they continued dating. Somewhere along the way, Laurie gets pregnant, Steve drops out of community college, gets married and gets a job selling insurance. Terry is about to ship out to Vietnam.

Act II (December 31, 1965): Terry is killed in Vietnam...or at least we are supposed to believe that! :-) Milner is already "dead"

Act III (December 31, 1966): Debbie is "enjoying" life in San Francisco...circa 6 months prior to the heyday of the Summer of Love. Milner & Terry are already "dead"

Act IV (December 31, 1967): Steve & Laurie are showing the strains of getting married too young, now with children, in a society where gender role, politics, etc are changing. At this point, we assume they've been married for about 3 1/2 years. Their twin sons are roughly 3 years old. Steve is probably regretting staying in town and selling insurance when he could've gone off to college with Curt. He is stuck pondering what his life could've been. Meanwhile, the cult of domesticity that Laurie assumed she wanted isn't as satisfying anymore by the late 1960s. Milner & Terry are already "dead"

Hope that clears things up.

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Terry Fields does not get killed in More American Graffiti. He goes AWOL and then is reported MIA.

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That's why I put killed in quotes...as a sort of wink-wink
:-)

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In the movie, both Debbie and Laurie refer to Terry as being dead. So that's what they believe. But we the viewers know for a fact he did not die in the latrine explosion in Viet Nam because we see him escaping, with help from the major, at the end of the movie. He is very much alive.

I'm only clarifying this, because so many people on this thread, and the American Graffiti board keep making the mistake of refering to Terry Fields as being dead, when in fact he is not. At the end of American Graffiti Lucas lists John Milner as being killed by a drunk driver in 1964 and Terry Fields as being reported MIA in 1965, not dead. MIA is Missing In Action, not dead. He doesn't die in either movie.

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We understood already about Terry, tdf5g. Jersey-3 insinuated it, and was probably trying to not completely ruin the surprise for everyone, even with the spoilers warning.

Calm down, we didn't need it quite that spelled out.

R.

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I'm quite calm, thanks.

I just don't know why anyone who's seen this movie can think that Terry is dead when we see him at the end of the film. It's a reoccuring mistake on many threads.

Roma, you did a great job explaining it also on the other thread.

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Apologies if I was rude. Just reading the thread seemed like you two were arguing the same point to each other over and over again, even though you agreed.

Thanks for the compliment about my other post.

:-)

R.

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No offense taken. I don't like to get into arguments, I was just clarifying.
Thanks

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Sweet...do you two want to get a room, or should the rest of us just turn away?

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OK, it does say he's MIA, but what are the chances of an American, who deserts his post, and walks out into the middle of the Vietnam wearing a Hawaiian shirt surviving a). the Viet-Cong, b). U.S. troops mistaking him for a VC, c). booby-traps, d). the dangerous animals in the jungle, or e). lack of food and water.

Since he's not mentioned in the 1966 or 1967 parts, we can probably assume he's dead or doing time in Leavenworth for desertion. If it was the latter, they probably would have mentioned it.

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I believe that the film ends with Milner driving home from the drag strip...and you see the drunk driver over the hill coming towards him....

The years you mention were intertwined....not played out sequentially.

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One other thing... in the original prints of AG and the screenplay (published in paperback in 1973) John Milner is mentioned as being killed "in June 1964". When the film was re-released with additional scenes a few years later, the month was changed to December - to accomodate the storyline of the upcoming sequel.

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Dear Jersy;

Excellent 'recap' Sir.

I try to watch it every New Years Eve.

Happy trails to all...

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Question here--have not been able to see this film yet, finally caught the tail end of it this morning, but why isn't Steve drafted? I lived during that time,and EVERYONE was either drafted or deferred. Thanks in advance to anyone who answers...

"What we need here is more cowbell!"...Christopher Walken

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He may not have been drafted because he had kids.

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Perhaps. I just thought maybe this was addressed in the film. (I remember the draft well. I sent a husband to Vietnam, so I guess this is a personal issue with me.) Thank you for your answer.

"What we need here is more cowbell!"...Christopher Walken

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they had a draft lottery. u went if your b-date was called.

life is short. Play.

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This movie is very good if you don't think of it as a sequel. The best paret is with Steve & Laurie. The most boring part is with Milner.

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Only about 100-150 birthdays were drafted each year, Vietnam was not a full draft like WWII. My older brother had a very high draft number and never had to worry about being drafted. I was too young. I hopes that clears that up.

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The layout of the film is somewhat confusing, but I'll try to summarize it the best I can.

New Year's Eve, 1964-Milner is upset that a team of highly paid drag racers won't hire him for their new lineup. There, he meets a beautifal European lady who further distracts him from winning the competition. Here we discover that Steve and Laurie, engaged, are expecting twins and that Terry has been drafted to Vietnam.

New Year's Eve, 1965-Terry and Joe are now in the same platoon.After surviving an onslaught of napalm and torpedos brought upon by his own platoon under the impression he was VC, Terry is suspected of trying to get himself shot so he can be discharged from the military, and subsequently placed on latrine duty. Here we find that Milner is dead, Joe is shot and killed by enemy fire, and Terry faked his own death so he could leave Vietnam.

New Year's Eve, 1966-Debbie is thinking of marrying Lance, an unfaithful hippie who cringes at the idea. While trying to find Lance a job with his favorie band, she is accidentally stuck with them on their tour bus. This leads her to a country club where she sees Lance making out with a girl he picked up on his pizza route. Here we discover that Debbie is now part of the peace movement and that Terry has yet to resurface.

New Years's Eve, 1967-Steve is now a succesful insurance seller who is grappling with his wife's intentions of getting a job of her own. An argument leads Laurie to her younger brother's apartment where he and his friend are prepared to show up at a local campus demstration and burn their draft cards followed by a protest. Terry is still believed to be dead and Steve is now married to Laurie with two children.

The way the stories are presented is hard to describe. Its shows a ;ittle of one story, then moves onto the next, continuing in that rotation. 1964 ends with Milner winning the competition and scheduling a dinner date with Eva, the European girl mentioned earlier. He is seen driving down the road to his apparent doom. 1965 ends with Terry succesfully faking his death with the help of a fellow G.I., and leaving Vietnam(I guess). 1966 ends with Debbie pummeling Lance and riding off with the band to watch the sunrise. 1967 ends with Steve and Laurie reconcilling and escaping the police at the demonstration with a busload of protestors. The film closes with each character's closing rendition of Auld Lang Syne.

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