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Am I the only one that likes the Lester version better?


It seems that a lot of people like Donner's version better. But I thought the comedic qualities of Lester's film added to it (the wig flying off the man, the man still talking when the phone booth falls, etc.) Also, Lester's film didn't have that ridiculous cop-out of Superman flying around the world, reversing its rotation, and changing time. It was silly in the first Superman movie. Doing it again makes it seem that there's no need for Superman to get into conflicts. Just spin the Earth backwards and everything will be fixed.

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I like Lester's movie better than the Donner Cut, because ultimately Lester's II is a complete film. There's some nostalgia linked to Lester's film that I can't deny as I was six years old when it was released in 1980.

Superman II was my favorite Superman movie for quite a few years (Superman: The Movie is actually my favorite movie of all time -- it invokes very positive, almost religious type feelings in me whenever I watch it).

I was very excited to own the Donner cut when it was released in 2006, after learning about the troubled production history of S:TM and SII. I truly hoped the Donner Cut would convert me over to it as THE Superman II, but unfortunately it didn't. I'm still glad I own the Donner Cut, but I view it as ultimately a curiosity of what could've been from Richard Donner.

No, sir. Don't thank me, Warden. We're all part of the same team. Good night.- Superman

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I guess you've never read any Superman comics?

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I guess you've never read any Superman comics?

I'm pretty sure there isn't a Superman comic where Superman flies around the world to reverse time. Even if there was it's still stupid and it's the main reason I don't want to watch the Donnor cut. Also if you're talking comics neither of the movies are like the comics since in the Comics Lex is a scientist who invents devices to try and kill Superman. In these movies he is really just a con artist who plans stuff to get rich. Like blowing up California so he can purchase a bunch of land really cheap near the ocean and live a life of luxury. Also comics Luthor doesn't wear a wig to look young.

Green Goblin is great! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1L4ZuaVvaw

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I agree, I dislike the turning back of time and it was really dumb to recycle it.

This Lex was the precursor to the Man Of Steel reboot by John Byrne. I think it's better than the mad scientist version which was a super hero cliche even by the 60s let alone 1980.

All good things must come to an end - Chaucer

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Am I the only one that likes the Lester version better?


No. The Lester cut has a *much* stronger ending.

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I prefer donner. Lesters stuff looks cheap and he went to comical

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Donna version is perfect until the last 15 mins, the whole going back in the time made the ending pointless everything didn't happen yet he has the fight in the bar still.

Kill that ending and go with Lesters and we got a movie. or maybe Donna should cut Superman 1 to have its original ending that ended as a cliffhanger

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...the whole going back in the time made the ending pointless everything didn't happen yet he has the fight in the bar still.

Disagree. Rocky still had it coming.

He was still being an asshole to everyone else and the pre time spinning events still happened to Superman regardless. Justice was served.

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" Doing it again makes it seem that there's no need for Superman to get into conflicts. Just spin the Earth backwards and everything will be fixed. "

This is completely wrong.

Doing it ONCE is enough, what does 'doing it again' add that doing it once already doesn't provide? Are you saying that doing it once was some kind of a fluke, that Superman couldn't POSSIBLY do it again?

If you want to talk about 'silly', how is 'hypnosis-kiss' NOT silly?

They make a lot of fun about this 'reversing of time', just because of the first movie, it doesn't need to be done twice for it to get that effect. Also, Superman has no need to 'get into conflicts' (what a weird way of phrasing anything!), he's Superman!

Your main point is valid, but you warp it by claiming it's 'doing it AGAIN' that somehow creates the problem, AS IF doing it once already didn't do it. This is absolutely wrong and I can't understand where you got the logic you are using to be able to come to such a weird conclusion.

The whole 'reversing time' is a definite cop-out, and should never have been done, but now that it WAS done, it should be always used (because it's the most logical, easiest fix to ANY problem Superman might have, including 'falling slowly (from superfast being's perspective) into a flame and then holding a hand in the fire for an extended period of time that Lois then deducts somehow proves he's Superman', even though there have been plenty of people that have walked on hot coals and have done amazing 'fire magic tricks' throughout history without being injured.

Instead of explaining the hand-in-fire-for-one-second-thing in some kind of similar way that coal doesn't burn the soles of foot even though its hot, he just reveals his most closely-guarded secret.

These movies don't really make almost ANY sense, when you analyze them, so 'whatever goes', I suppose.


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In any case, every single problem in every single Superman movie since the 'time-reversal'-scene, absolutely COULD have, and in my opinion, logically, SHOULD have been solved by doing that very 'time-reversal' thing.

If you have an ability that can solve ANY problem you have, wouldn't YOU use it pretty much any time you screwed up, especially in a major way? I mean, who wouldn't? If you had a magic button you could push to get you back in time to 'try again', but this time with the knowledge of the future you just lived through, wouldn't you push it any time you wanted to fix a mistake or erase a problem?

Heck, even releasing Zod could be fixed by it, just reverse time, then push the bomb to a completely different area in space, OR go back two days earlier, move the 'phantom dimension' or whatever it was called, into a completely different place, and then maybe even stop the faceless thugs from even getting that bomb and putting it in the.. I mean, that Paris-thing is SO stupid and silly at the same time, I can't even finish this sentence, but you get the idea.

It's not a convenience Superman can use any time he wants to fix anything he wants because it was done TWICE, it's that very thing because it was done ONCE. Once is enough, why would this particular feature activate only when done twice? You are not making any sense.

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Yes, you're the only one

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That's such an annoying phrase. That and "....now, don't get me wrong...."

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I just answered the OPs question that he asked

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Hehe. Yes, yes you were.

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You answered it wrongly because the first commenter on this post (enommaz) said they prefer the Lester version.

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You and the OP are the only ones then

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Yeah I prefer it. It feels like a complete film. Donner cut has some bonuses like Brando and more Luther but it’s let down by distracting test footage and a repeat of the crazy turn-back-time solution. It’s a fascinating curiosity but Lester’s cut is the true Superman II.

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