Wow, you sure have an axe to grind, don't you? Well then, here's mine.
If you knew anything about these films(or the low budget slasher/horror genre in general), you'd know that Paramount treated the franchise with nothing but contempt and utter disdain, hence the reason why there is so little "uncut" footage preserved from their vaults. Paramount may have bought the distribution and merchandising rights for this franchise after the success of its predecessor however, it still required private money from various interested parties, particularly Phil Scuderi and his partners from Esquire Theatre in the amount of US$1M, which definitely qualifies as a "low budget" film (by contrast, Paramounts budget for Raiders of the Lost Ark was $20M that same year). The whole notion that the studio was heavily involved in the "respect" and "integrity" of this film, is simply laughable. If that truly were the case, this franchise wouldn't be riddled with so many goofs, continuity errors and atrocious editing, while fleecing us fans at every opportunity. It's because of the hard work and dedication of the cast and crew, that made this film somewhat watchable, not the studio. Every single one these films were made on a shoestring budget, except for Jason vs Freddy, which was produced by New Line Cinema.
The MPAA and its president at the time Jack Valenti, had a raging hard on for censoring the gore and nudity after the commercial success of F13. Because no one thought it was going to be a smash hit in 1980, they weren't heavily involved in cutting the gore. When part 2 was finished production, they were dead set in making it an example, which is why so many scenes ended up on the cutting room floor. Although the details are still a bit murky, it was said that during this process the question of Kober's age piqued their interest, due to her VERY young appearance. They immediately requested full documentation from her i.e birth certificate, SIN number, drivers license etc, at which time she admitted her true age and birth date. Had that tiny little detail been overlooked by the censor board, the fallout from an underage girl being shown fully nude in a film being released in 2000 theatres across America, would have been immense. There's little doubt that such a scandal would have subsequently killed any future installments, and most importantly, the introduction of the iconic hockey mask in Part 3 which made Jason Voorhees a household name. So in a way, the MPAA inadvertinely saved the very franchise they detested, hence the irony.
I don't know who p*ssed in your safe space, but bringing up another "aspiring" model/actress who lied about her age to get her foot in the door(or back door!) is completely relevant, regardless of the "pedigree" of mainstream films(whatever the hell that even means?). Art is art. It certainly didnt prevent Paramount from hiring a former porn director Danny Steinman from directing F13 part 5, did it? So much for integrity and respectability lol!!! BTW, Lords went on to study method acting at Lee Strasberg and became an accomplished actress, in such mainstream films as 'Blade' and 'Black Mask', while poor Marta is a homeless meth head, so your biased and judgemental attitude towards Lords is severely misplaced.
Just because Paramount uses a mountain peak as their corporate logo, doesn't mean they're the pinnacle of the film production past/present. Most of us are reminded of this fact every time they re-release these films on DVD/Blu ray every couple of years, without anything new except for adding the words "deluxe editions" to the title, some 3D glasses, recycled Camp Crystal Lake documentaries , or some sh*tty fan made film in the extras section. With no additional scenes(deleted or otherwise), this is double dipping at it's finest. Even longtime producer Frank Mancuso Jr. will tell you that Paramount has always treated this franchise and it's fans as the bastard children of the company. Their mandate has ALWAYS been- "make them faster, cheaper and gorier than the last".
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lukejbarnett2002
8 years ago
I didn't put down Marta so I dont' know why you thought I did. and Paramount cares and always has cared greatly about this series and has always been heavily involved in the respect and integrity of this series otherwise why would they continue to make so many of them? and what was wrong with them hiring a former porn director?
you're wrong porn is not at the level of integrity or respect that film is. so bringing up a porn star in this discussion is not relevant because those are two different standards and levels and qualities of performing. ask anyone about what differentiates movies from porn and they'll tell you that porn is not as important or accessible or artistic or relevant to life in the world as movies are. so you can't make that parallel or comparison. those two things can not ever be put together as the same thing or even a similar thing in any way, or at all. you're wrong about frank saying that about paramount, saying that paramount has always treated this franchise and it's fans as the bastard children of their company. and he won't ever tell anyone that.
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Chopperbubba
8 years ago
Sure pal, whatever makes you sleep better at night. Perhaps your reading comprehension is stuck on grade 4 level(it's quite evident your writing skills are), but I never once said you put down Marta, so please don't make me have to baby step you through this again.
Do yourself a favour and read "Crystal Lake Memories" by Peter Bracke. It's a compilation of over a hundred interviews of every single person involved with these films, including a detailed synopsis, scripts, budget ledgers, story boards, personal accounts, anecdotes, production notes, behind-the-scene stills etc. which will back up everything I said.
That's only if you're willing to swallow the red pill, open your mind and stop wh*ring yourself out to cheap Paramount talking points? BTW, are they still paying you interns $0.15/ post, or is it still an unlimited supply of KY jelly, I can't remember? I can definitely see why the wages have been stagnate. Saying "you're wrong" several times in a rebuttal to an argument, is usually followed by "and this is why". Even a junior debater knows this. I must give credit where credit it due however, you've single handedly made a Sony shill look like a Mensa member. Bravo sir!
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DrDanielChallis
8 years ago
have to agree with Chopperbubba - and really, it is just about facts here - F13 never got the support and resources it deserved across the board, considering the ROI on such a small budget
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lukejbarnett2002
8 years ago
it doesn't matter what happened with lords all that matters is she was a porn star or a porn performer so that means she is irrelevant to this discussion about actresses being underage and showing nudity in mainstream, big studio movies.
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mitzibishi
8 years ago
Just listen to what chopper says.
He is trying to bring you useful information. It maybe against your opinion but suck your ego up and learn.
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Chopperbubba
8 years ago
Don't bother with this one, it's more than obvious this joker has an agenda and some serious mental issues, regardless of the facts presented. Probably dropped on his head as his mother gave birth to him while sliding down the stripper pole. He definitely has some deep rooted issues, and is easily triggered when the topic of sex comes up. Just ignore him, these Social Justice Warriors are a dime a dozen.
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