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WTF..just finished 'The New Man'


WTF did I just watch?!?!?

This has got to be the WORST written episode of TFTD EVER!!!! its the one where an ex-alcoholic salesman meets a boy who claims to be his sone...the one HUGE plothole I simply can't forgive or get over is why was the mom and other son IN on it?!?!?!?! and also why was his co-worker/boss doing it to another ex-alcoholic in the office??

Maybe somebody read the original short story is was based on & can clarify...many thanks!!!


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Yeah there was a thread about tihs ep up on here a while ago - I haven't looked to see if it is still here. I think it's just meant to be a screwy episode where some Twilight Zone-esque retribution happens, probably as punishment for the guy being an alcoholic in the past and putting his family through rough times.

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I think it's just meant to be a screwy episode where some Twilight Zone-esque retribution happens
IF that's true, it was a complete FAILURE at doing so...

I still turn back to the short story its based on (per the episode credits)...wondering if that would clear up some cobwebs!

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Another episode that has a similar feel at the end of it is one called "Dream Girl". The ending really throws a curveball that leaves the entire story leading up to it "unresolved" in the viewer's mind. To me some of these episodes were just to condensed in a half-hour that major pieces of the story end up missing...

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They just showed it. In the past year has anyone cleared things up?

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I was thinking maybe the owner somehow profits from his workers getting messed up, but how could they get every wife and child to go along with it? If it was the opposite where he was still an alcoholic and the family did this to make/scare him to stop it would make more sense.

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At this point, I think maybe none of the episode is really happening - maybe the guy (who really is an alcoholic) is stuck in his own private hell type of thing, and the same fate awaits other alcoholics, who are somehow drawn to that job. As I said, a Twilight Zone type situation.

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I found the original short story of The Geezenstacks and it didn't help at all... in fact it included a totally brand new element to the plot. Post the link to the short story of The New Man if you find it!

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"The New Man" is supposed to have supernatural elements to it. However, I just didn't really feel invested in the story or the alcoholic's dilemma with the little boy. I don't think that the rest of the family is in on any sort of conspiracy. I just think that, for them, the little boy is a real member of the family. Did you know that Vic Tayback, the lead of "The New Man", was in both the first episode of "Tales from the Darkside" ("The New Man") and the final one ("Basher Malone")?



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Fitting for Tayback.

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I know this is years late but I just had to say I'm right there with you OP, having just seen this episode for the first time myself.

Usually I quite enjoy the storyline of most episodes but this one felt like a convoluted mess with no way for the audience to truly grasp a point and no real conclusion.

1. Is this retribution/punishment? Well if so, it fails at that making the main male character sympathetic. WE never see any need to resent or look down on him. Was he an alcoholic? Yes. Did hurt his family with his drinking? Yes. But we never hear of him beating his wife or having affairs, just drinking too much and leaving them with little to no money. Well, yeah, that's what alcoholics do and it's awful but hardly enough incentive for a Twilight Zone esque infinite loop.

2. There's nothing to prompt the appearance of this strange boy. Both in his case and the case of the man who appears in his spot right before the ending credits we never see these men fail. They don't drink, they're working hard, they're even excelling - yet out of nowhere this boy appears seemingly somewhat aware of the havoc he's wreaking on their psyches and lives.

3. We have no feelings of positivity towards their families. Petee? PB? Is a tedious self-involved teenager, the wife a fretting hen and 'Jerry' vaguely creepy. Since we start with our main character the other characters presented aren't compelling enough to
make us latch onto them. I personally did feel like, "Are the wife and kids in on this?" I couldn't view them as victims and Jerry only got more and more creepy.

Basically I felt very badly for the main character, confused by the point of the plot, unsure what the lesson was meant to be, indifferent towards the 'families' and very negative about the episode in general. A rare, but very terrible, failure.

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tippy ryan falls off the wagon...

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Twilight Zone or personal version of hell is a good way to put it. The way I see it, Brad, is the temptation of the alcohol, or the devil you could say. Jerry is the kid he neglected and didn't get to know and lost b/c his family left him as an alcoholic. He lied to his wife about his drinking. However, the flip to that if he wasn't lying, even as a recovering alcoholic, he still doesn't know his kid b/c he missed his 1st 10 years. A parable.

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For me, it's like the final test to see if a recovering alcoholic has REALLY mended his ways. Put yourself in his shoes...

You've successfully resisted booze for a whole year. Then some kid shows up out of the blue claiming to be your son, and everybody believes him. For the life of you, you can not remember this kid at all, and your entire family blames it on your drinking. They ditch you, and you lose your job.

You have absolutely no idea what has just hit you. You've been doing so well all of this time, and this is your reward? You'd have been better off had you stuck with the booze and never sobered up!

Oh, what do we have here? A bottle of booze for li'l ol' me to drown my sorrows?

Now if you can STILL resist temptation after going through all of that, then, my friend, you have passed the test.

Contestant #1 failed.

I wonder how contestant #2 did...

*waits for the sequel*

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The whole episode is basically an alcoholic in hell, damned to repeat everything over, and over again. He's constantly being tortured for the fact that somehow, in some way, he lost everything, and drank himself to death.The child Jerry is a demon. The boss is the devil. I can't believe nobody understands this. I've been watching The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, and shows like Boris Karloff's Thriller as a kid, so for me, it's rather easy to figure out stories like this.

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But he doesn't repeat it.

Didn't you see the end? It's not the same guy. It's not even close to being the same guy.

How did you not catch that?

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You don't understand. The first story did not end, it just shifted to another person to show exactly what was transpiring. It was up to the viewer to come to that on his/her own.

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I'm sorry, but your post doesn't make any sense. Are you sure that YOU understand?

Whether the first story ended or not, there is no evidence that it keeps on repeating to him.

And I don't know what you mean when you say that it shows us exactly what is transpiring when it shifts to the second guy. If anything, it totally destroys your theory that the same thing keeps on repeating to the same guy when it's a TOTALLY-DIFFERENT guy!

So are you saying that the second guy keeps on repeating it too?

And what would be the point of having every alcoholic in the history of time repeating the same thing over and over and over in hell? That's a bit harsh of a punishment (even for the devil)--Wouldn't you say?

There must be A LOT of devils and A LOT of little-kid-demons in this hell to do this to EVERY alcoholic there ever was over and over again for eternity.

You can come up with just about anything to try to make sense of this episode, so that's cool with me if this works for you, but to say that you understood it so easily while nobody else did is insulting, especially considering YOUR interpretation (which has to be the most-nonsensical interpretation I've ever seen).

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You got it. It's not really that difficult to figure out. I could see people maybe debating if he's really dead or just in alcoholic's twilight zone but that's only minor.

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Again, there's nothing to support the theory that it keeps repeating over and over to the same person.

How can you be so sure "you got it" when you have to make up your own theory out of the blue and think it's that easy to get?

Everybody is entitled to their own interpretations. If that one works for you, that's great, but to say "you got it" and nobody else did without any evidence to back it up is insane.

It's no wonder they're putting an end to these boards.

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