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Most OBVIOUS strategy vs T800 never used


Not even tried, yet it would defeat it with little effort.
We can all agree T800s are very efficient at blasting inside a bunker after infiltrating it. They look like humans and are almost unstoppable when shooting random targets.

THIS T800 is assigned one target only, with little infiltration.
That is where its problems begin.
Plus, it has no knowledge of Sarah Connor, other than first and last name.
Its only advantage is the surprise element.
Once that is gone(10 minutes into the movie), it only has brute force to rely on.
With some luck it manages to get a good look at Sarah's face.
That is everything it knows to target her, relying on its poor eyesight only.

ALL THEY NEEDED TO DO TO NEUTRALIZE THE T800 WAS TO GIVE HER A FAKE NAME AND A DECENT DISGUISE.
How difficult could that be???

Other than the police interfering with such plan, Sarah has no reason to not easily disappear under the T800's nose.

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True.

But remember, the T-800's only purpose is to track and kill, by all means necessary.

In the Sarah Connor Chronicles they briefly touched on this concept, as there was one Terminator that had been around for more than a century trying to track down its target, even using the stars to try to coordinate its position and understand the date/time.

They just never stop until their battery runs out, which is possibly what could have happened. But the T-800 would have just kept searching records for the whereabouts of Sarah, visiting family, checking log books, going to last known locations, etc., or like in Terminator: Lesbian Fate, simply find a dispatch center and monitor calls/cameras to track Sarah's potential whereabouts.

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I'm sure the T800 would try its best to track her down forever.
But it is so stupid and clumsy and unefficient at doing that, that it would take little effort to send him on an infinite chase or just get rid of him.
It is pathetic in this mission: first of all it is immediatelly identified as the main target of a massive manhunt.
Secondly, it is quite flashy, all with its massive muscles and pissed off face and idiotic accent, it would be difficult to mingle into anonimity for any lenght of time.
More importantly, it would just go around asking everybody "have you seen Sarah Connor", it would be quite easy to trick him into a trap and dispose of him, given enough time and safety.

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Probably.

But the brash approach to getting things done made it much sacrier to deal with, and most people don't think clearly when they're frantic and panicking (like Sarah and Reese).

I'm sure your plan would work if they had time and resources.

That was actually their plan in Terminator 2 until Sarah decided to go after Cyberdyne.

The thing is, the T-1000 was nowhere near as imposing or threatening as the T-800 (nor as brash). So I don't know how well a blending-in plan would have worked for them in trying to deal with the T-1000, especially if they decided to stick around with the T-800, who the T-1000 could easily use to track down.

Then again, come to think of it, the T-800 could have also used Reese as a reference point to track them down as well. How well he would actually be able to track him down is another story, especially if Reese decided to change up his look, too.

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The T1000 at least could keep alive its threat of never being able to be seen coming after you. Till it was destroyed you would never be sure if that is your mom or the T1000 coming to hug you.
The T800 was just bad at everything and had no tools.

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Yep, they could have planted a false lead at the Police station leading the terminator on a wild goose chase. Write it on a big board, "moving Sarah Connor to a hidden location in the Rocky Mountain National Park." Let him read that and spend the rest of his years churning through the mountains.

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It really had no right tools for this mission.
In T3 it had camouflage, weapons, a correct list of names and addresses and more importantly a DNA list with a sampling tool.
The T800 was as scary as a playground bully. Not scary at all once you are out of the playground. He had no way to be a threat once you escape his very limited reach.

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Here's another thing that is related to the scenario. The machines had very limited knowledge of John Connor's mother. How did they know that wasn't her married name and that she wasn't living under a maiden name at the time they sent the Terminator back?

We as the viewers know it, because that's how it's written and that's what we see as presented to us. But from a non-omniscient point of view, this must have been a shot in the dark for the machines. Surely, Skynet was smart enough and had enough information of human culture to know that women change their name when they get married and had kids.

Let's send a Terminator back and kill all Sarah Connors in LA, even though we don't know if she even had that name at the time. Smells of desperation.

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That is true, but I guess they wrote it like this:
Skynet identifies John as its real enemy.
It plans to abort him by erasing his whole existance.
It gathers all intel it can about John: his mother name is Sarah Connor, he has no father on record. Hence it targets his mom.
That's where his intel is shit: it gets only her first and last name, nothing else.
I have no idea how it knows that she lived in L.A. when she conceived him, that is a mistery.
But you are correct on the other mistery: how did it know this was not her married name, and her husband died?
I guess somehow they found a clue telling Skynet that she was a single mom that never changed her last name and lived in L.A. in 1984.
No idea what kind of clue that would be, which did not include her middle name nor street address.

PS Skynet is seriously desperate if it sent this idiotic T800 to do this.

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I have no idea how it knows that she lived in L.A. when she conceived him, that is a mistery.


If we're assuming Skynet had collected birth records and last known address data before the nukes were launched in 1997, it probably had on record that Sarah Connor lived in L.A., and had given birth to John Connor in California.

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How is ANY of that in a birth record?
If anything, a birth record should report her full name and maybe current address at the time of birth. And certainly where he was born (not just state).
But the T800 knew only her first and last name and L.A., which is quite lacking for a birth record.

And my point is: John was born in L.A.
She could have been anywhere else 9 months before.

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Would there even be any birth record if she gave birth on the run? And to get John into school (not that he spent much time there) she had connections to get false IDs made. Why use your real name on that if you know you are going to be targeted in the future?

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Exactly.
I have no idea how Skynet put its intel together. But it sounds through hearsay.

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I can understand records being lost to the humans after the war. You would think Skynet would have ALL the records.

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I agree, Skynet should have had access to that sort of database.
So why no address/full name? What kind of record only writes first and last and city?
Maybe it just forgot.

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Human hackers fighting back and deleting/scrambling data.

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That is a great idea. Good writing.

But what kind of hacker finds the complete record and removes only her middle name and street address? Couldn't he do something better?

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Given how MS Dos databases were back then..."It won't let me delete that field". I know it's a lame excuse but I'm tired.

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Unless Skynet destroyed all human history out of spite. It's starting to sound more and more like Skynet's AI was based off of a poorly written crazy ex-gf pleasure bot program.

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Well, it clearly likes to stalk its targets. And it does have a taste for torture and revenge. See those prison camps it sets up.
What's that all about?

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Prison camps to have slaves to do tasks that robots can't do for some reason?

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She could have been anywhere else 9 months before.


True, but what if they had the old DMV records showing she was a resident in Los Angeles in 1984?

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ok, but again, i sounds like that is not the case here, or they would ave her EXACT address and full name, not just Sarah Connor, L.A.
Plus, what DMV? She rode a moped, she had no license.

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That's true.

So whatever data they had wasn't in the municipal files.

Unless they gathered the data from interrogating captives?

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That would make more sense, maybe John told them somebody her name (although I doubt anybody other than a close personal friend of his would ever know that kind of info) and that she used to live in what used to be L.A.

If you think about it, Skynet knowing about these info is half as stupid as John knowing about Skynet's plan. Who did HE interrogate to figure that one out?
Is there a computer record or note that reads "05/07/2029 - 11:37 - send T800 to 1984 in time machine to kill Sarah Connor - remember to organize farewell party" ?

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LOL....

That's a good point, but if I recall, I think the time machine required a ton of power. And I believe they figured out that was when Skynet was planning on using it? But I can't be sure.

I can't remember the details, though, but yeah... I am curious how they pinpointed the exact time when the T-800 would be sent back?

Unless... of course, they infiltrated Skynet and hacked the server, found out what processes it was running or planning on running, and then scouted that it had scheduled a power-down of tertiary services on a specific day at a specific time.

A log note for a scheduled time in which all non-essential resources going on shutdown would be a pretty big tip-off that Skynet would be planning something big that day. So if it read: "-5/07/2029 - 11:35 - Route power Routine - Substantions: 0, Grids: 0, Air Control: 0, Time Machine: 1"

That may have been a tip-off for John and the crew to gather their wits and and be ready at the time machine so after the T-800 goes in at 11:37, Reese is primed, ready and butt naked at 11:39.

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...butt naked. Don't get me started on that one.
That is yet another tidbit of intel that humans managed to gather before Kyle ever went in. Who told them about it?
Did the humans experiment with time travel too?
Did they just read Skynet's notes on "only living tissue works with my time machine- I know because all the other metallic machines I sent back in time just exploded in front of me, so it just made sense to put some meat and presto! It disappeared, which clearly means it went back in time"?

I guess your log note makes sense, but it's kinda silly for such a secret plan to be labelled with that "time machine" nomenclature. I understand Skynet is not very clever, but still...It's as if the manhattan project was instead called the "city destroying big bomb engineering project".
I think you don't need Enigma to crack that one up.

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Did they just read Skynet's notes on "only living tissue works with my time machine- I know because all the other metallic machines I sent back in time just exploded in front of me, so it just made sense to put some meat and presto! It disappeared, which clearly means it went back in time"?


I think if you tried sending inorganic objects back they just disintegrated? Or maybe it burns up? I don't really know how the humans figured that out... I imagine Skynet had time to experiment, though.

Of course, none of that makes any sense when you consider the T-1000 was entirely inorganic, and Grace and the Illegal Immigrant Terminator were also inorganic, so they shouldn't have been able to go through the time portal either.

I guess your log note makes sense, but it's kinda silly for such a secret plan to be labelled with that "time machine" nomenclature.


Possibly. What if it were just logs of all the substations in the region shutting down on a specific day before a certain time? While it might not look like much, any strategist would know that something big was going on if Skynet was routing power from all the extraneous services during a certain window. Heuristics might lead them to believe that it would be for the time machine.

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I think the T-1000 was able to immitate human flesh or else it wouldn't have been in a naked human form when it arrived in 1995. Why do that unless it had to?

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To answer your question: Not very difficult I guess.

It's possible the writers thought about it but then thought "Hmmm, our movie goes down the drain if we do this... let's do it anyways and f*ck it if some random dude finds it 37 years from now."

Knowing the profits of the movie were about 70 million $ in 1984 (+ the franchise money after it)... I'd say it wasn't dumb at all.

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Damn! I'm 37 years late again, like with those Apple stocks!
I gotta speed up my reaction time.

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Haha, right ! What you're saying reminds me of the main character in Ken Grimwood's book "Replay". He does the same with Yahoo stocks, if I remember correctly (book was written in the late 90's). I should re-read that ! Thanks for the flash.

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I read that book twice! I thought it was great. Such a bittersweet story.

I read years ago that it had been optioned for a movie to star Ben Affleck, but nothing since. Even though the book is a short read, to properly tell the tale would take a very long movie, or even a one-shot miniseries.

Grimwood died in 2003 at a young-ish age. I think he was working on a sequel, but, again, I've heard nothing since.

The book predates Yahoo by almost a decade, but, yes, the main character does buy stocks of companies that he knows will flourish, bets on sports games, etc.

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You're right. It was first published in 1986.

And yes, I too have read that he was working on a sequel when he died. Someone could surely take the manuscript and do something interesting with it. Also, if I'm not mistaken, his own death is not unlike what happens in Replay... which, if you have a little too much imagination, makes you wonder about it!

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What kind of a movie would it have been if T-800 decided to start assassinating Sarah Connors from the bottom of the list up? He would have got the correct one on the first try.

Also I just noticed that the house he goes to first has a civic address that corresponds to none of the civic addresses in the phone book.

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That would be a short saga.
But even better is this thought:
who said that the real mother of John Connor, the future leader, was NOT the chubby one that answers the doors to the T800 and gets shot in the back?

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Ooh ok I like it.

But doesn't the photo taken of still living Sarah Connor at the end of the movie end up in the hands of Kyle Reese/John Connor and that's how Reese knows what she looks like?

Now back to the chubby Sarah Connor angle. What if it doesn't matter which Sarah Connor Reese gets his jollies on with. It's the act of him going back in time and fathering John Connor plus defeating T-800. John Connor knows this but chooses the photo of attractive Sarah Connor for incentive.

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Ahah, that is GENIUS! So John gives him Linda Hamilton's picture to throw some dust in the T800's eyes, while in reality she is nobody. Because his mother's name in reality is Jane Bollocks, but Skynet was too stupid to figure out that John Connor's mother would not have Connor as her last name.

To be honest, I don't know why they even bother to send Kyle back in time. The whole Skynet plan is just stupid, and like pointed out many times, it is a fact that it didn't work for them too, since Kyle goes in second after the T800 (which is proof that John was still alive hence that clumsy T800 has failed).
But maybe, the real reason is NOT to save Sarah, nor to stop the T800. He is sent back in time just to impregnate her!

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The whole Skynet plan is just stupid, and like pointed out many times, it is a fact that it didn't work for them too, since Kyle goes in second after the T800 (which is proof that John was still alive hence that clumsy T800 has failed).


No, that's not how it works. Time progresses in linearity, adjacent to what's happening in the future, hence why Reese doesn't arrive back in 1984 at the exact same time as the T-800, but instead arrives a short time after him, because time is moving in progressive linearity in parallel with the two time zones.

So had John waited to send Reese back, the T-800 very well would have succeeded in killing Sarah.

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"No, that's not how it works"
"So had John waited to send Reese back, the T-800 very well would have succeeded in killing Sarah."

I'll rise to the challenge. Let me ask a question:

What happens if John (Prime) DOESN'T send Reese (Prime) back AT ALL, after watching the T800 (Prime) travel to the past?





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What happens if John (Prime) DOESN'T send Reese (Prime) back AT ALL, after watching the T800 (Prime) travel to the past?


Eventually, when the T-800 (Prime) kills all of the Sarah Connors, eventually getting to John (Prime)'s mother, relatively 24 or so hours later.

This creates a new timeline relative to the events of the T-800 succeeding, a branching string of events (ala string theory) that erases John from a future where Skynet rules the day.

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"This creates a new timeline relative to the events of the T-800"

Exaclty. If the Terminator HAD killed Sarah, it would create a DIFFERENT timeline in which John, Kyle, etc never existed.

Which goes to the point brought up by Heisenberg.

In the 2029 original Prime timeline, John and his team are staring at the time portal through which the T800 just disappeared. They are just fine.

In their history, Sarah Connor wasn't killed. She lived to give birth to John. That tells them that the Terminator failed his mission. The mere fact of their existence is the proof of that. There is no need to send Kyle back at all.

(Separately, there is the Paradox conundrum which Cameron just ignores for the sake of a good story.
If Kyle doesn't go back, then the original Prime timeline can't be created. The mere fact of the existence of John and Kyle in the future is the proof though that John sends him back. It implies that there is no free will... that the events are predetermined.
That's the paradox to which there isn't an answer. It's still irrelevant whether Kyle goes back within 24 hours, or leaves a decade later to arrive 24 hours after the T800... it's a unsolvable paradox either way.)

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In their history, Sarah Connor wasn't killed. She lived to give birth to John. That tells them that the Terminator failed his mission. The mere fact of their existence is the proof of that. There is no need to send Kyle back at all.


Except, they really don't know that, right? None of them are astrophysicists nor studied linear time-travel displacement, nor do I think any of them had a PhD in string theory or the multi-verse. They couldn't know what the outcome would be.

And technically, even hazarding the guess that the time machine was actually a dimensional portal (putting objects into different universes at specific times) would be a huge gamble on their end.

That's the paradox to which there isn't an answer. It's still irrelevant whether Kyle goes back within 24 hours, or leaves a decade later to arrive 24 hours after the T800... it's a unsolvable paradox either way.


That's true. Because in Terminator Genysis (sp?) they ran with the above-mentioned theory of the time machine actually being a breach into the multi-verse, rather than actually traveling back in time within the Prime universe (which makes some sense).

But if we only follow what happens in the first film, we really have no way of knowing (just like John and the others in 2029 have no way of knowing) if it's actual time displacement or alternate-universe travel to different times. They can only hope that there's a closed loop of events by sending Kyle back, or I'm assuming this is the logic John is working on in hopes that the Prime universe's present doesn't eventually change due to the T-800 being sent back.

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" I'm assuming this is the logic John is working on in hopes that the Prime universe's present doesn't eventually change due to the T-800 being sent back."

He already KNOWS the Prime universe present doesn't change BEFORE THE T800 even steps through the portal. (To clarify: Yes, in the movie he sends back Kyle to chase down the T800, but I'm stepping outside the movie's plot and looking at the flaws in the logic.)

"Except, they really don't know that, right? They couldn't know what the outcome would be."

Of course they know. Because it's their history. If you and I were standing at the portal and we watched the T800 disappear into it, we already know before it even left that its mission failed. Because we are standing here looking at each other. We came to be.

From the POV of you and I the T-800 just stepped into a portal and disappeared forever. There's no need to do anything except laugh at the stupidity of Skynet. The whole concept for the movie doesn't work. Skynet can't succeed no matter what.

If the T800 had succeeded, then it would have created some other timeline (or universe or whatever you choose to call it) where you and I never sprung into existence at all. The T800 would still have a memory of its original timeline -- now gone -- but, it's otherwise an 'orphan' in the new universe. (Remember Marty at the end of BTTF? He creates a new timeline where his family is very successful. It shocks him because he has memories of his loser family in the original universe/timeline. Same idea.)

There's no science here...it's just an exercise in logical thinking. EVERY time travel movie has flaws in their logic which the director or writer gloss over, or try to disguise with a lot of science mumbo jumbo.

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Of course they know. Because it's their history. If you and I were standing at the portal and we watched the T800 disappear into it, we already know before it even left that its mission failed. Because we are standing here looking at each other. We came to be.


No, you have to account for linear time progression. Even if it is a closed loop the T-800 still has to complete a series of events within the time it takes to finish the mission (which would be 24 hours). Just because it goes back in time doesn't mean time stopped progressing or instantly progressed to a set outcome. Going back in time -- within the logic of the first movie -- shows that the T-800 still had to carry out its mission in real-time, which would be moving along a linear graph as time progressed in 2029 -- ergo, a 24 hour window before he found and killed John Prime's mother.

It's why when they sent Reese back in time, he didn't arrive exactly at the same time as the T-800, he arrived minutes later, just like he was sent in minutes after the T-800 in the future. Ergo, linear time progression -- as accounted for in the movie, with the past time's being relatively synced with the future, so they only would know the outcome 24 hours later after the T-800 completed its mission, which is likely why they didn't wait.

If the T800 had succeeded, then it would have created some other timeline


That's true. Alternatively, it could have erased John Prime's future or that entire Prime universe (similar to how in the MCU's Prime universe half the universe was wiped out and the stones permanently destroyed, which is why they had to borrow other stones from the past of alternative universes, or how Marty Prime in BTTF began to fade away when his mother and father were drifting apart).

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I can't really add anything. You're contradicting your own arguments now. I'll leave you to it.

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Not really.

We're talking about possibilities and probabilities based on what could be and what might have happened based on what might have been and could have been possible.

Within the framework of time travel we're working with a couple of possibilities for the original Terminator:

1. It's a closed-loop, at which point whatever happens in the past directly affects Prime universe's future. Again, this is still operating according to the linear-progression of time, and at which point, it would be imperative for John to intercept the T-800 as soon as possible (which is what happened in the movie) before the linear progression of time from 1984 catches up with 2029.

2. It's a parallel-loop, at which point whatever happens in the past creates an alternate time-line, and the Prime universe is unaffected either way, and thus John wouldn't have a need to send Reese back.

3. It's a congruent-loop, at which point things happening in the past of a parallel universe could affect the outcome of the Prime universe (i.e., Marty Prime beginning to disappear when in the alternate time-line his parents didn't hook up in BTTF).

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That's true. Because in Terminator Genysis (sp?) they ran with the above-mentioned theory of the time machine actually being a breach into the multi-verse, rather than actually traveling back in time within the Prime universe (which makes some sense).


This has been my approach even before Genysis. I think it applies to most time travel stories. My thought is that when time travel occurs the traveler not only travels in time but to an already existing (as opposed to a split) but different universe. These universes are close enough to the travelers original that they think they are in their own but they are not.

It is possible, using this process, that each of the Terminator films the Terminators go to a different universe and try to kill the target but even if they succeed it is irrelevant because it does not change anything in the universe they came from. They would just mess up a different one.

Avengers Endgame ALMOST used this but decided to go with a time line split instead. This method even solves the grandfather paradox as the time traveler actually does not kill his own grandfather but the grandfather of the version of him in this other universe.

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It is possible, using this process, that each of the Terminator films the Terminators go to a different universe and try to kill the target but even if they succeed it is irrelevant because it does not change anything in the universe they came from. They would just mess up a different one.


Yeah, this seems to be the most logical scientific explanation. If the first rule of thermodynamics holds true, then the T-800 succeeding and destroying the future would not be possible, and the constitution of already established energy could no longer be dissipated as the machines predict. However, the future of an alternate timeline could be affected because the energy of that future has not been materialized nor stabilized, and it can be shaped and molded by events in the past for an uncertain present/future.

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What!?!???
Your idea of time works like in Back to the Future, with the slowly disappearing kids as time keeps going.
Which tbh sounds like total bs.

The way I see it, once the T800 is sent, either everything changes (so, the T800 succeeded and Skynet is winning and John should not even exist) or nothing happens, hence it failed and/or time does not change that way.

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Your idea of time works like in Back to the Future, with the slowly disappearing kids as time keeps going.


They wouldn't slowly disappear since the timeline is fixed (unless it was a closed loop). It will just keep progressing as usual.

The way I see it, sine the T800 is sent, either everything changes (so, the T800 succeeded and Skynet is winning and John should not even exist) or nothing happens, hence it failed and/or time does not change that way.


That's not how it works, since it's not actually time travel for that current timeline, but rather time travel to a parallel dimension of that time.

So it's a different universe running at a different time frequency, which would change the outcome of events in that frequency, without changing the actual progression of time in the Prime line, since time in that dimension would already be fixed. The only other outcome would be that that universe would cease to exist if the T-800 were successful, assuming it was a closed time loop.

In real life, we already have some indicative evidence of particles from the multi-verse:
https://www.livescience.com/truth-behind-nasa-mirror-parallel-universe.html

Whatever happens in those universes are fixed, even if they attempt to go back in time, because all they would be changing is the alternate time-line of events branched from that universe's time polarity.

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ok so which one do you think is happening in this movie?
Closed, parallel or congruent?

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That's a good question.

It's really, really, really hard to tell.

I have some theories, but first, I'll ask which kind of time paradigm do you think is happening?

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Well, I'm totally not ascribing to any of those reasonable time loop concepts.
I think it's just a paradox, and that this whole paradox is at the root of the story. Not Skynet, not John, not humans vs robots.
It's a paradox that is fucking up our universe by creating machines and humans fighting them with its own internal logic (of a paradox), when without paradox they didn't and couldn't exist otherwise (since the trip of the T800 created Skynet, and Kyle created John).

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That's actually an interesting theory.

That's exactly how the movie Predestination plays out -- it's a closed loop paradox that keeps repeating itself only because the incident exists only as a paradoxical anomaly, and in many ways that could be what Terminator is; a self-isolated incident trapped in itself.

Another movie, called Triangle, works with a similar concept but it's actually a closed congruent paradox, because the exact same thing keeps happening within a closed time loop, but in different ways. It's as if the multi-verse is melding every and all instances of a single incident into a single universe that is on a repeating loop.

I don't think Terminator is on a congruent loop (although Terminator Genysis seemed to hint at that), if we're going by the first film it could make sense that it's just stuck in its own infinite paradox.

I would like to think that maybe there was a set of events that set things in motion in the Prime universe that may not have initially involved Reese, such as John having an actual father who died before he was born, and Sarah raising him while traveling around so he picked up certain military skills from her various boyfriends. He eventually got good and used those tactics against Skynet, but when the time machine came into play, Reese was selected and ended up becoming his father in the past, thus setting the paradox in motion.

I think, once the paradox is set in motion, it becomes a closed loop of sorts, similar to the film A Sound of Thunder.

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Now let's take it too far and make it preachy. John Connor shares the same bloodline as Jesus Christ. John Connor is born in 1985, Kyle Reese is born in 2004 which (fill in blanks and plotholes) he father's Kyle Reese and sends his only son back in time to die for humanity.

...and the all the Terminator movies are just different gospels of people telling the story.

Ugh. I can't believe I typed all that.

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What do you mean, "poor eyesight"? The Terminator series of cyborgs have EXCELLENT vision!

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We are shown what they see.
It's red and white with vhs resolution.
I would not call that an eagle eye.

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"Can you see anything!?!"
"I see everything."

--- Or however that quote went in T2 when T-800 is driving with no headlights

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Yes, they have night vision good enough for driving.
Facial recognition is based on other stuff, and colors/hi res would be important.
Giving her an effective disguise should be super easy. Barely an inconvenience.

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"It's red and white with vhs resolution."
Maybe stop watching the Terminator movies on VHS, or even DVD, then?

"Giving her an effective disguise should be super easy. Barely an inconvenience."
Don't quote that ugly dickhead at me, he's RUINED movies, like that CinemaSins cunt.

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1- you should watch them in bluray then, and notice how the resolution of his view is highly degraded and way lower than the real world image, comparable to a video signal from the 80s. And it is red and white, no colors.
2- I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back with this one, sir.

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This topic is ridiculous. This is the 80s we are talking about, you been watching too much looney tunes if you think she could just fool a cyborg with a disguise. Exactly what disguise a wig and glasses? Her resources would have been pretty limited back then, it's not like she could go get facial reconstruction surgery without a hefty sum of money. I'm also pretty sure the T-800's vision is not easily fooled as you think. It could probably recognize someone's true face pattern like cops find suspects using their finger prints.

Only thing I will agree with is that she changed her name and got out of the city, but that's not easy to do when you have no support, resources, and limited time. It's easy to compare today's era to 80s and think it would be as simple to do all this, but back in the 80s good luck with that.

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What??!? Are you high???
I am talking about THIS movie, not what is YOUR idea of a robot's power, looney tunes, and 80s reality.

We are clearly shown what are the T800's capabilities: optical, ai and very limited facial recognition.
So yeah, for what we are shown, a fucking wig and fake nose and glasses would suffice.

Not to mention that there is NO notion of facial recognition like we have tday in this; the 80s had plenty of plastic surgery if that would have been the only choice; changing your name and disappearing from society in the 80s was way easier than today.

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I am aware you are talking about "THIS" movie Einstein. And your assumption that we are shown what the T800 is capable of perceiving is not entirely true. The POV of the T800 is due to the effects they had to work with at the time genius. For all we know the T800 has x-ray vision, it can certainly zoom with it's enhanced vision just cause you didn't see it doesn't mean it can't. You telling me a fake wig and glasses will fool a T800 is laughable. You can't be serious if you believe that. Cops have been able to catch killers that disguised themselves, now you're gonna tell me an advanced machine is less intelligent than cops?

Also lets just say they would come up with that stupid idea, they escape from the police station massacre, rest up and get a motel room to get some supplies to defend themselves than the T800 shows up. It's not like they had time to come up with alternate plans because before they knew it the T800 was already on their tail thanks to Sarah being dumb and calling her "mom." So why are you even suggesting that they should've disguised themselves when they didn't have time to hardly catch a breath. Either way you are getting agitated too easily take a breather pill bud.

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I don't give a fuck if in 1984 they only had this SFX but they intended to give him ultra high def vision or xrays or whatever YOU think the T800 should have sported: the facts are, T800s have the shitty white and red video vision we see, no other mega AI features that YOU think they should have, and they are also quite stupid.

Not only that, if you know ANYTHING about the Terminator, you understand that an INFILTRATION unit like the T800 does not really need any of the features you are imagining. It just needs to pass as human, in looks and behaviour, and then it needs to be sturdy and powerful and possibly unstoppable with exterminating humans.

Kyle and Sarah had plenty of downtime alone and even when being activelly chased, enough to think "let's try the most obvious strategy here: make you look different and try and disappear".

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When did they have plenty of down time? They escaped from the police station and got stranded when their car ran out of gas. The next morning they went to the motel, are you suggesting then and there they should have tried to shop for wigs and stuff? Thank god you never tried making a movie it would bomb harder than pearl harbor. I'm sure they weren't thinking about fooling Wild E Coyote at that point, they wanted to shack up and rest and figure out their options since they were alone and had no support. I still find it funny you are getting so upset cause no one is agreeing with your idiotic plan. I'm sure if you had a killer cyborg after you the first thing you would think is buying a $10 wig and hope it would fool it, instead of maybe oh I don't know try to stop it or avoid it all together. I personally think you're a fucking idiot.

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The only one upset here is you, and there are plenty of posts here agreeing with me. You have a peculiar way of forcing on the world what only YOU think is real.

Other than personal insults and forced subjective bullshit only YOU think, you bring nothing to the discussion.
Your arguments are poor to the point it seems you don't even understand what is going on in the film (or in the real world).

To come up with my plan would take a minute (and Kyle should know it already), and it should be the next move they try since meeting/being arrested/escaping the police/being on the runaway/in the motel/GOING SHOPPING etc.
There, go watch it again, but before look up the word "subjectivity", if you can objectively understand a dictionary.

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"GIVE HER A FAKE NAME AND A DECENT DISGUISE."

Yeahl, she could've worn a moustache.

To be more serious, there are WAY more serious problems with the story, WAY better tactics and strategies they could've done, and so on, so your post - no offence - is a bit irrelevant. I mean, if you look at all the things I have alrady said, and then conjure up a few more thoughts along those lines.. yeah.

Just for ONE example, Sarah knows her stupid phone calls got her in trouble. Sarah can impart information to her past self via John-Kyle link. Therefore, she could've told John to tell Kyle to ABSOLUTELY stop her from making any phone calls EVER, and tell her that the Terminator can mimic her mom and so on.

Also, tell John to send Kyle 10 or 20 years earlier, so he can properly prepare everything, and make Sarah NOT keep a notebook with names and phone numbers, and and and..

I mean, there are probably eight hundred different things they could've easily done differently to ABSOLUTELY defeat this robot AND Skynet AND make future good, but this movie doesn't make too much sense.

What you are saying is just a tiny detail on the tip of an enormous iceberg, they could've done SO many things SO differently, your suggestion kind of drowns in the sea of nonsense while shrinking in its own insignifigance.

How would she give a fake name to the cops anyway, they can run checks and all.

What _I_ would like to know is.. WHO gave the location information of a sensitive, protected individual in custody to a shady-looking (pun intended, for those that get it) bodybuilder that wears shades (now everyone probably gets it) in the evening, together with a punk leather jacket (that he got where? Why did it abandon its original jacket anyway? Bullet holes? Not that it should care, it's not very careful about 'infiltration' or 'not drawing attention' anyway)...?

I mean, I would LOVE to see that situation..

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Think about it; this massive Austrian Bodybuilder-looking robot walks to some cop (who? where?), that not only KNOWS where Sarah Connor is, but also openly gives out this information to anyone who asks? WHAATT??

I mean, if you give information to someone that looks like THAT, surely you will give this sensitive information to ANYONE. Do cops just tell random people the locations of protected people in custody? How did the news about exactly Sarah Connor spread so quickly to other cops in the eighties? Why would every cop need to know this?

Wouldn't Sarah's identity AND location be a REALLY WELL-KEPT SECRET in the 'police community', since two Sarah Connors have already been 'brutally murdered'?

WHAT KIND OF SENSE.. I am so tired of asking this question.. DOES ANY OF THIS MAKE?

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