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Used to Teach in a High School a Lot Like This One...


A lot of at-risk youth from broken homes; school had drugs, guns, teen pregnancy, you name it. 17-year olds still in the 10th grade. Even the Vice-Principal told me "I don't know what these kids need." Teachers were assaulted, one told me he had a nervous breakdown. I only taught there two years and I could have done a better job, but in the end I was more concerned with saving my sanity than anything else. They had to turn it into a state-sponsored military academy just to enforce discipline!

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where was this at?

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I'd rather not mention where it was so as not to encourage prejudice of any certain area. Let me just say that problems like this truly exist all over, and the worst are the random violence episodes like Columbine HS, affluent areas that are not set up for things like what happened.

Regardless of where you send you kids to school, make sure you have an awareness of that school, what they are learning, and who they are going to school with.

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i work in a juvenile detention center and as shockng as it may seem, its safer there than your average school. At least there, staff are trained in how to handle youth and you don't have to worry about kids bringing weapons in.

I think teachers really need to have training in youth restraint if they are going to be teaching in these schools today.

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There's a very simple solution to schools like that: anyone with a knife/gun/drugs, or anyone assaulting a teacher is immediately expelled from the school. Then you end up removing all the trouble-makers with no respect who don't want to learn. You then have left the well behaved students, who aren't led into trouble by the trouble-makers, and consequently spend more time learning and less time behaving like animals. Also, the students get the message that any criminal behaviour results in instant expulsion, and possibly prosecution, especially when it comes to possession of drugs or serious assault of teachers. Of course this needs to be backed up by a strong criminal justice system......

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Considering the fact that schools nation wide already implement such standards of expulsion for weapon and drug violations and violence still permeates our educational systems your "simple solution" is not such a truly simple one. For every one problem child expelled for such a violation there are 2 or 3+ more just waiting to take his/her place. Not to mention the fact that an expelled student will just be enrolled in another school soon after only spreads the problem further. You could incarcerate such violators, but the juvenile justice system in this country is poor at best. Juvenile detention centers are notoriously bad at rehabilitating problem children with the whole revolving door method in use. Kids are ignored, dismissed, beaten, abused, molested by other inmates as well as correctional officers and or pretty much left to their own devices until their time is served and they are subsequently released back into society. More often than not a juvenile offender comes out a smarter, more hardened criminal than when they went in due to older and more experienced offenders teaching them new and improved methods of commiting the violations they were jailed for to begin with.

A combination of a lackluster school system and shoddy parenting are the major roots of such behaviors. With the "No child left behind" policy kids are pushed through the systems at break neck speeds whether or not they actually perform up to any academic standards. To make the problem even worse a lot of school systems are even lowering their academic standards to allow these under achieving students a chance to slip through the cracks, in their mind it's easier to push a stupid kid through than make them repeat the 10th grade 5 times or more until they get it right and actually learn something. A lot of so called graduates can barely read or write, have any basic math skills and almost no redeemable social skills. This only exaserbates youth criminal activity to the point of being an epidemic. A kid with no book smarts still learns plenty of street smarts, enough to know that selling drugs, guns, commiting robbery and other such crimes net more money a lot faster than a normal 9 to 5 job ever will. Instead of studying hard, applying themselves, working their way through college and then working hard to become a productive member or society it is a lot easier in their mind to continue and expand on the crimes they are already commiting. Why go through all that to earn a potential of $100 grand a year when they can commit crimes and earn a potential of $100 grand a week!

Crappy parenting plays a large part in this failure as well. With a lot of single parent families and non existant father figures (often in jail themselves) the mothers have to work twice as hard to provide for their children. This leaves that child way too much unsupervised time alone, time to fall in with criminal elements and start down the wrong path in life. They expect schools to raise their children for them and often blame the school systems when such children fail in life instead of taking the initiative and being a proper parent. Not too mention those parents that just don't care what their child does and even approves of the criminal activity for the extra income it provides to maintain the household. Honestly, how many of us have seen news broadcasts where a kid was busted for selling drugs or whatever they did and when they interview the parent they act as if they are in total shock and never suspected that their child could be involved in such activities? Now here their 15, 16 or 17 year old child doesn't go to school and doesn't work, but yet they drive a $50,000 BMW or Mercedes, wear thousands of dollars worth of jewelry, the latest and most expensive fashions and have wads of cash on hand at all times and is out all hours of the day and night, but they never would have thought in a million years that THEIR child was involved in any kind of criminal activity? Give me a break, they didn't get that stuff by being a fry cook at Mickey Dees!! lol

There is no truly simple solution to soliving this growing problem. A complex multi-pronged solution is needed. We need to address the school systems poor performance in pushing our kids through and address the parenting skills of these failing students. We can't ignore the problem, just expel them and hope the problem goes away. Until the education system straightens itself out and parents begin to take responsibility for their kids and their actions the problem is only going to continue and increase.

I just don't see that happening anytime soon. It's a lot easier to point fingers and shirk responsibilty than it is to actually do something.


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Very pretentiously long reply.

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The truth isn't always short and sweet.


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It's true there is no simple solution to this mess, but one thing I'd like to see, as a former teacher who worked with at-risk students, is to give some power and authority back to the teachers in the classroom. I got sick and tired of being the only one in the classroom with no rights. I got sick of focusing more on discipline than education. Administration didn't even back me up. Everyone is too afraid to get sued! In the end, I said to hell with this and became a mortician!

I realize it's not in any school's budget, but isn't our unemployment rate at over 6% now? This may sound utopian, but can't we train people who are out of work to act as security guards in classrooms? Two adults are better than one, yes? And isn't working--when a job is available--in the long run cheaper for the government than handing out welfare checks and unemployment benefits?

Expelling "bad apples" is just passing the buck and putting them back out on the street where they seem to want to be in the first place. Passing them through the grades just to get rid of them and make Bush's "No Child Left Behind" act appear successful is a pitiful waste of time and resources. And it's a lie!!! It's noble in scope, but impossible to accomplish the way things are now.

OK, end of sermon. Carry on!

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Yep - as in ten-seconds TV sound bites. Though most people are perfectly satisfied with those and don't look any further…

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I don't believe you.

First of all, that principal wouldn't have been assigned there, he probably would have been fired from the entire school system because of the assault of his wife's attorney.

In the unlikely event he wasn't fired or suspended (pending the dissolution of the assault arrest),he certainly wouldn't have been assigned a principal position. Believe it or not, many in the school system are ambitious for positions and salary increases and they would have found a principal for that school.

That drug dealer would have long ago have been in the juvenile delinquency courts. In fact, most of them would have. Teenagers tend to want to be guided by adults, even the juvenile delinquents and therefore, tend to go into any program that is made available to them, which means it's unlikely they would have regressed to that animalistic state.

I could probably make ten more bullet points as to why this movie is totally a fantasy by either a disillusioned ex-teacher who wrote a script the way they would have liked the world to be, or more likely a Hollywood script writer who hasn't a clue as to how the school system really works.

I seriously doubt your post is truthful or you would have seen the holes in this stupid movie and pointed them out.

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You're a real *beep*

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For telling the realities of the present day public school system? I don't think so!









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