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Hellraiser + Hellbound: Hellraiser II = One Movie?


Anybody else ever felt that these two films may be better if they were cut into one film? I love the first two, and don't really care for the others that follow afterwards. I just finished watching the first and there were some minor things I think would be better off cut from it. Then, I watched the second one. A part of me is itching to cut both films into one and make a fan-edit for the heck of it. But again, I'm curious, what do you think of the two films as one? Would it be better? Worse?

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I just did a double feature of it today...& I had wondered the same thing(what it would be like) a while ago but after re-watching them today I realize it doesn't really work. Unless a story is pre-planned I prefer to watch each installment of a franchise on their own terms. Some come across better that way & make continuity errors seem less annoying. If you were to cut the two together I would leave out the house burning down bit. It's strangely back in shape at the beginning of #2. I would also suggest removing the exposition scenes in hellbound when Kirsty recounts the events that led to the destruction of her family.

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Yes, see kcrocket131, I was going to remove anything that would be inconsistent and contradictory. Even touch up on some scenes. Not sure if you've ever heard of the editor Adywan, but he's been making changes to the original Star Wars films. Most of them are fantastic changes that I'm sure most fans would have appreciated over what Lucas did. Anyhow, I'm thinking I may do something like that. I'm a filmmaker and I have the equipment and connections to edit the two films so I'm thinking... why not? It would certainly be a challenge of course. The two would move at a much faster pace, I'm sure.

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That's awesome! I would love to do something like that but I'm not familiar with editing. Not to mention I wouldn't know what to download, what sites to trust etc..

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Well, you wouldn't need any of that really. I have Hellraiser 1 and 2 on Blu-Ray but I can't use them to do my edits. I will instead purchase them on DVD and buy a DVD Ripper, which will extract the movie itself so I can then cut what I want, where I want, and do whatever I want to any part of the film. I'll edit it in my video editing program. Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects, which you can buy on Amazon. Aaaand voila. Give me some time, a few tutorials later, and a fan-edit should be completed. No need for going to sites you don't trust.

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:) that's so cool

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I must be the only person who didn't think the house burned down after watching the movie for the first time. Yeah there was fire, but it was a shot of the photograph burning superimposed over the house and not a shot of the house burning. Then there was the burning piles, but that wasn't the remains of the house, it was a wasteland. You can go on cenobite.com and see for yourself that there's no mention in either script of the house burning down.

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Exactly.

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Not really. I like Hellbound, but Hellraiser easily works without it.


Agreed. While Hellbound is visually stunning, I think it craps all over Hellraiser's story.

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i think one of the best things a sequel can do is seem like a continuation of the first film, to the point where whenever you think of one, you think of the other. Now not all good sequels do that. Aliens is a great movie but it is tonally and stylistically very different than Alien. Last Crusade and Temple of Doom were both terrific films and terrific follow ups to Raiders of the Lost Ark but they don’t all feel like one long story, rather it just seems like Indy going on three different adventures. Frankenstein and Bride of Frankenstein, both great films but very, very different.
But with the best sequels, one film just flows right into the next. Think of Godfather and Godfather part II, they were even combined into one film for the Godfather saga that aired on TV. Other sequels I also think do it well. Like the Star Wars Trilogy. Superman and Superman II (which makes sense since they were made at the same time). Star Trek II the Wrath of Khan and Star Trek III Search for Spock always seemed like one long movie to me (plus the only really good Star Trek films. Also of all the ten original Stark Trek films 2 and 3 were the only ones that told a continuous story). Halloween and Halloween 2 also seemed like one long movie. Helped by the fact that the second one started immediately after the first one. And that’s what Hellraiser and Hellbound Hellraiser II does. To me it just seems like one long story. Showing how Kirsty Cotton met the cenobites, escaped them and how Pinhead was introduced and ultimately destroyed and hopefully gained some semblance of his humanity back. And similar to the Halloween series I think it would have been much better if they both ended after two. With both series they were able to tell a complete story with two films. Everything else after was crap.




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I quite frequently dream that the first three Hellraiser films are one long story, sometimes more of them are added on too. I have do a "walkthrough" of the films, and I have to survive each one in order for Pinhead to let me go. When going from part 2 to part 3, there is a TV monitor showing the scene in Hellbound where Chanard becomes a cenobite.

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I try to imagine the series stops after the Bloodlines, cause the rest are pure garbage.

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Hey Guys, unless someone has already beaten me to it I actually attempted a fan edit combining the first two Hellraisers. If you have any interest checking it out, here's the link for "Hellraiser: Lament". https://vimeo.com/198456008

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yes part 2 continues the story. they are the best of the bunch and the most creative with the crazy gore / demon fx.

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i feel poltergeist 1 and 2 are sort of like this too, continuing and finishing the story.

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Although the second one is clearly a very direct sequel I still see them as separate films and not as two parts of the same movie. Someone in this topic mentioned watching them as a double feature and I would definitely agree that that is a very good way of watching them. Both movies are only around an hour and a half long so there can be a nice little break in the middle.

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I like them as a double feature or over two nights. But yea the 2nd one really does great and moving the story along and expanding on some of the lore

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