How did you bury it?
Just because the other sequels also made the mistake, doesn't mean it's not a plot hole in this film.
Read this, they put it much better than I could:
Where best to start?
How about a point I was last making only the other day on the Film General board, to do with the "dream powers"...
Let's see if you notice something in common these all share?
Kristen has the ability to pull herself and others out of dreams, as well as other people into them. But, towards the end she is sedated and she can't use her powers to bring her friends in to help her against Freddy, so the kids link up via hypnosis to meet up with her in dreamland. While Kristen's ability to pull people out of a dream is also useless, again, because she is sedated.
Next up you have Kincaid who has super strength, which, again is useless against Freddy.
Will with his wizard powers, which are ultimately useless against Freddy because he doesn't "believe in fairytales" (couldn't make this crap up) and is dead within seconds.
Then you have Taryn, who is "bad" and "beautiful" and also dead within minutes and useless agianst Freddy.
Notice the link between them so far?
How the main selling/plot point of "Dream Warriors" is redundant.
Mind you, let's not forget Joey with my favourite dream power. He has a voice!
Still, you would have thought he would've found it sooner than he did, like when suspended over that firey pit with only Freddy for company? Y'know, something along the lines of "HELP!" or even just "Arghhhhhhh!!!!"
Onto the inane logic of the plot, if you can actually call it "logic".
First, consider how the Doctors (aside from Dr. Gordon) react to the plight of the kids in this film...
Philip's death. Dr Simms called it simply a "sleepwalking accident, nothing more". What, no further concern over how a patient managed to sleepwalk out of a high security, locked ward?
How about Jennifer's death. Doctor Carver believed it was simply suicide? I'm sure you would come across some pretty odd instances in a psychiatric ward, but doesn't someone managing to jump easily a foot up into a wall mounted TV so hard their head smashes through and remains lodged seem just a little "unusual" nevertheless?
Now about this Hypnocil drug also...
Gordon says to Dr Simms he suddenly wants to prescribe this stuff. But he's unsure whether the shipment will reach them by the next day.
That's the last we hear of it...
However, when Joey's in a coma, Gordon's decision to prescribe the Hypnocil drug is for some reason being blamed!
Did it even arrive? When did Joey get his dose? When did any of the other kids get their dose?
Why doesn't Kristen simply pull simms inside the dream to PROVE to her Freddy was real??? That's about the best evidence ever.
During the hypnotherapy session where the kids discover the powers together, why does Gordon end up in dream with the kids? He wasn't one of those looking at the pendulum and going under the process, he was putting the OTHERS to sleep.
Also, why doesn't Kristen pull them out when everything goes pear shaped and they are trapped in the morphing boiler room?
Or how about when Gordon is later told that Freddy's bones have to be put to rest on Hallowed Ground. Last time I checked, that junkyard wasn't consecrated ground. Neither was Gordon a Bishop who could consecrate ground.
Nancy has been reduced to nothing in this film and its lame!! Ok, so look, in the original film, she personally tried to take freddy on, with the booby traps and what have you, and did she succeed?? No. The ONLY way to get rid of freddy was for her to take hypnocil...period...yet what does she offer? She tells everyone "ok, lets all willingly go to sleep, with no backup plan(or anyone to wake us up), and try to unlock your "dream powers" to take on Freddy". Come on, first off, Kristen had a power, so why all of a sudden would she believe EVERYONE has a power?? And what was Nancy's power? Or the Docs? They couldn't do anything.
And DaveBondDave also has a good thread which you have already read about how outrageous this film actually is.
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
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Waynebond1
12 years ago
Its funny reading this thread and seeing the same old tired and completely wrong explanation of part 2.
During the banter about part 3's plot holes (which I don't happen to agree with and I think its a great entry in the series) part 2 is dismissed as total rubbish as it had freddy entering the real world.
The only time freddy entered the real world was at the pool party. Every other time he killed it was when jessie fell asleep and freddy used his dreams to manipulate jesse into killing for him. Thats why we saw jesse wearing the glove on at least 2 occasions. We were seeing freddy kill because thats what jessie was dreaming but in the real world it was jessie doing the killing.
By the time we get to the pool party scene theres still a huge debate as to wether or not this actually happened in reality or a dream. We know jessie fell asleep at Grady's house and in jessies dream freddy litterally climbed out of him and killed Grady but it was actually jessie killing him. What we saw when freddy killed him was jessies dream. He could easily have still been dreaming when he reached lisa's house covered in blood and freddy coming out at the pool party could still have been part of the dream world when jessie fell asleep at Grady's.
Sorry to go off topic and jump in about part 2 but it always annoys me when part 2 is dissmissed with the freddy in reality bull and people saying it has nothing in common with the rest of the series when it clearly does. Just becuase people don't understand it properly.
After the events of the original film it's easy to understand that whilst nancy hadn't actually killed freddy at the end she had weakened him enough that he was stuck in the original house and wasn't strong enough to leave the house and invade the dreams of other kids. He needed to use jessies dreams to get him to kill and build freddy's strength back up as we know from later films he feeds on the souls of his victims to give him strength.
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Movie_Buff_Brad
12 years ago
Guy, link me to these people yourself if you're just going to use their arguments.
"How did you bury it?"
I countered all of your points and you seemed to give up. That's generally a victory.
"While Kristen's ability to pull people out of a dream is also useless, again, because she is sedated."
There's a thing called conflict. Stories need it. That's why Superman has kryptonite: a story about a demigod who couldn't be harmed would be boring.
"Then you have Taryn, who is "bad" and "beautiful" and also dead within minutes and useless agianst Freddy."
DW is about facing your fears. Taryn fails to do this when Freddy pulls out the needles, so she dies.
"Will with his wizard powers, which are ultimately useless against Freddy because he doesn't "believe in fairytales" (couldn't make this crap up) and is dead within seconds."
While Will did face his fears, Freddy also wasn't scared because he "didn't believe in fairy tales", so neither could really harm the other. Once Freddy got hold of Will, Will's fears returned and Freddy was able to kill him.
"Philip's death. Dr Simms called it simply a "sleepwalking accident, nothing more". What, no further concern over how a patient managed to sleepwalk out of a high security, locked ward?"
The problem was that there wasn't ENOUGH security and locked doors. Phillip walks by one person. They then modified this by keeping the bedroom doors locked.
"How about Jennifer's death. Doctor Carver believed it was simply suicide? I'm sure you would come across some pretty odd instances in a psychiatric ward, but doesn't someone managing to jump easily a foot up into a wall mounted TV so hard their head smashes through and remains lodged seem just a little "unusual" nevertheless?"
What else could they conclude? All the others were locked in their rooms, so it couldn't have been murder.
"Why doesn't Kristen simply pull simms inside the dream to PROVE to her Freddy was real??? That's about the best evidence ever."
There wasn't any time to. Kristen isn't confident in her powers until they bring in Neil (and they bring him in and not her because him and Simms were more or less equals only he was more openminded), then she gets sedated while Simms is awake.
"During the hypnotherapy session where the kids discover the powers together, why does Gordon end up in dream with the kids? He wasn't one of those looking at the pendulum and going under the process, he was putting the OTHERS to sleep.
He simply put himself to sleep as well.
"Also, why doesn't Kristen pull them out when everything goes pear shaped and they are trapped in the morphing boiler room?"
She's scared and Simms wakes them up before Kristen thinks to.
"Or how about when Gordon is later told that Freddy's bones have to be put to rest on Hallowed Ground. Last time I checked, that junkyard wasn't consecrated ground. Neither was Gordon a Bishop who could consecrate ground."
It didn't work, did it?
"She tells everyone "ok, lets all willingly go to sleep, with no backup plan(or anyone to wake us up),"
As this whiny nitpicker points out themselves, Kristen could pull people out of dreams and Neil wasn't supposed to fall asleep.
"ome on, first off, Kristen had a power, so why all of a sudden would she believe EVERYONE has a power??"
Common sense. Even in the real world we can all do things in dreams we can't in reality.
"And what was Nancy's power? Or the Docs? They couldn't do anything."
Doc is only in one dream, and Nancy is already the leader of the group so it wasn't necessary to give her one.
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