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Why did the Dream Demons flee from Freddy just because he was stabbed?

posted 4 years ago by hurricane (1957)
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I never really understood why Freddy was more dead in this movie than he was in any of the previous movies. He's been defeated in five previous movies,and always come back to life in the next.

In this movie it shows that before Freddy was killed by the Parents Of Elm Street, some demons entered him that would keep him alive in people's dreams. When he was killed at the end of this movie, they fleed from him meaning this time he was finally dead.

What I don't understand is why. Why didn't they flee from him the previous five times he was stopped in movies? He's been defeated five times prior to this, and at no point was he finally defeated. So why now? Was it because Freddy was in the real world this time? Nancy had him in the real world in the original, and that didn't finally end him. So why did the dream demons decide this particular time to flee his body?

I just think the whole dream demons idea was an idea they pulled out of their ass. They hadn't been mentioned in any previous movies, and didn't have any thorough explanation in this one. It just seemed like they couldn't be bothered to come up with any real way to defeat Freddy for good, so just invented something in five minutes so they could add a couple of lines of dialogue that 'explained' it.

[–] MeYouFools (167) 4 years ago

"Was it because Freddy was in the real world this time?"

Yes.

In "Freddy vs. Jason," Freddy has become a demon himself and is on his own without the dream demons.

"Nancy had him in the real world in the original, and that didn't finally end him."

No, not quite. "A Nightmare on Elm Street" is entirely a dream that the movie doesn't wake up from. And then the events of the movie take place some time just after the movie itself ends. So, Freddy is entirely within a dream in the first movie.

Whether you buy that or not, that's New Line's official stance on the first movie.

[–] hurricane (1957) 4 years ago

Just out of curiousity, where in Freddy vs Jason is it referenced that Freddy has become a demon himself?

We're told that kids need to remember him, in order to be able to harm them, which is another thing that seems to have been invented for one movie, but I don't remember any physical mention that he was a demon now.

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7614) 4 years ago

I think it is implied with the fact at the beginning he says he went to Hell to search for someone to spread fear so he could have victims.

My explanation for his needing fear is that in Part 3 it is revealed by Nancy to the other characters in the movie they are the remaining children of the parents who murdered Freddy.

After killing them all in Part 4, he is only able to kill more Victims because Christy transferred her dream powers to Alice just before being killed by Freddy.

From that point on until Part 6, Freddy was only able to kill teens through Alice. In Part 6 it is mentioned that over the course of 10 years since the end of Part 5, Freddy killed all remaining kids in Springwood.

It does seem that he was weakened by doing so as he then enters the dream of a random teen in the next town and fools him into thinking he is his son and gets him to get a counselor and her underage clients to come into Springwood. This is his only way to get more victims.

In Freddy Vs. Jason, he mentions that the adults of Springwood got rid of all record of him so he could no longer get into kids' dreams since the adults are the only ones at this point who know about him. Hence why he needed to have Jason kill teens in Springwood to spread enough fear to get more victims. No more children of the adults who killed him. Which is why he does what he does.

[–] MeYouFools (167) 4 years ago

"Just out of curiousity, where in Freddy vs Jason is it referenced that Freddy has become a demon himself?"

Freddy's appearance transforms into a demon three times in the movie. When we are first introduced to him, although there, we just see his new bloodshot eyes. Secondly, when Jason poaches Katharine Isabelle from him. Look carefully and you'll see his face change form (they do point this out in the audio commentary as well). Lastly, when Lori saves Jason from Freddy drowning him, he transforms into his demonic form because he's become so pissed off with her.

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[–] hurricane (1957) a year ago

Essentially, the ending of the original was tacked on because the studio decided that they wanted the choice to make sequels.

Wes Craven's original idea was that Nancy woke up, the whole thing had been a dream and that Freddy Krueger had never existed. She would discover that her friends and family were all defeated. The End. But New Line wanted to be able to make sequels if the film was a success, so tacked on and ending that didn't really fit in with what had happened, and didn't make much sense. Your explanation is a good as any's, that the first film, even the last scene is entirely a dream. It also explains how Nancy can be in the third movie, as she could've been dreaming the whole thing in the first, but woke up somehow before escaping.

My main problem with the Dream Demons in Freddy's Dead is that they felt tacked on. When I was watching Freddy's Dead for the first time, I assumed that the characters would find some special power or knowledge that would help defeat Freddy once and for all. And they kind of did, with The Dream Demons. But it felt really badly handled, or not fleshed out at all. All we really discovered was that they existed. At no point on them being discovered, did we find out that there was any way to defeat them. In the end Maggie stabbed Freddy with his own glove, the Dream Demons ran away and she smugly said; "Freddy's Dead". At no point in the film were we told; "The Dream Demons will flee and not be able to return if Freddy is killed in the real world." They could've have made some comment explaining that if they killed Freddy in a certain way, the Dream Demons would flee his body and be unable to ever return. That way, the characters could've spent time making and executed a plan that killed him in that one specific way. They didn't. They just spent a minute or so explaining that the Dream existed, and then when he was stabbed at the end, they ran away screaming, and that was it.

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7614) 3 years ago

Yeah. I always felt that Nancy didn't actually pull Freddy into the real world since it ends with her suddenly going outside in different clothes, talking to her mom who had been killed, seeing her friends pull up in a car alive, getting into the car, and then it shows the roof coming up over the car looking like Freddy's sweater. Then it shows the car control itself and Freddy pulling her mom through the window of the door.

That ending shows she never pulled Freddy into the real world.

[–] NigerGolden (67) a year ago

As I understand it Nancy made a similar mistake as Nightwolf and by setting Freddy on fire she completed his ritual for returning to the dream realm (the same death that sent him to the dream realm originally). Perhaps Freddy is similar to a deadite and requires total body dismemberment and exploding him with dynamite accomplished this. I always thought that while lame his death is more sensible than the one we see in Jason Goes to Hell.