1st of all great film and i thought the soundtrack wasnt bad either underlining the characters dilemna very subtly . Sometimes it takes something drastic to take place to change our lives for the better as le tour found out.
But what was the significance of the murdered girl in the park ? Did Tis kill her as well ?
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I believe that is a clear implication (that Tis killed the girl found dead in the park).
This is one of my favorite movies and I love the soundtrack. Can anyone tell me if there is any way to get hold of the soundtrack music?
There's a bit of stuff to get through on this thread, tekla, but it should answer your question by the end of it.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0102307/board/nest/24289759
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What I would like to know is, was marian (defoe's girlfriend) sleeping with Tis or all the scumbags in Tis's appartment when defoe disovers her there or was Tis her supplier? Its never made clear, I suppose we are meant to assume she had slept with Tis and been doing coke all night, but let me hear your thoughts. Also no reason is given as to why Tis is killing the girls, apart from the fact that he is a slimeball, any one have any thoughts?
I think there's still some ambiguity about whether or not Marianne was murdered or if Tis killed the girl in the park. But if it was him, I think it's Tis's thing, killing the girls. Simple as that. And I think Marianne hooked up with him to use and to lose herself, get away from the pain of her mother's death, of LeTour, of everything.
She was clearly very f'd up. She never tells LeTour anything about her life, but based on her appearance and demeanor we automatically assume she's living well and that just doesn't seem to be the case. What looks like a relapse the night she died probably wasn't anything new and maybe the reason she couldn't be with LeTour is because he was clean and she wasn't, she lied about it. All of her behavior throughout the movie indicates addiction in progress and it's just as likely she jumped as was pushed. Really, the only evidence is what the psychic tells LeTour. Tis is jumpy and out to get LeTour because he talked to the cops - and Tis might not be as concerned about murder charges as he is about his other illegal affairs getting blown open. Clearly he was a bad guy, given that LeTour killing him and his two guys didn't amount to any kind of major murder charge.
thanks for sharing your thoughts IBH27.
i also think that killing wasnt tis's thing because we first see tis in the hospital when letour goes to meet him. tis was in the hospital because a girl that he was with overdosed. again tis didnt kill the girl, he took her to the hospital. that was also the reason why the cop was tailing tis in the first place.
overall i think the movie is about letours desperation. i mean he is going to psychics for answers. you are led to believe in the psychic just as letour is, because she sees that he is in danger. but the psychic is discredited because its obvious that the psychic is more interested in getting sleep than in helping a nervous letour find answers.
it was impulsive of letour to tip the cop about tis.
I've always found Marriane's death a bit goofy: Maybe Tis would push her off any other time, but right after LeTour, who's an ex-flame and knows she was with Tis, leaves the building? Makes very little sense. Mind you, I think the film is excellent, but this is a weak join inan otherwise splendidly-written film.
shareI'm not sure Tis killed her: she may have jumped because the combination of her mother's death, turmoil over LeTour, guilt at missing mom's end, falling off the wagon, and shame at being seen by her clean ex as addicted again, in combination were enough to fry her circuits and make her not want to live anymore.
Tis understandably doesn't want to be implicated in her death--possibly because he WAS involved in the death of the girl in the park, though that's not certain either--and is ready to do what he must to make sure of it, but he may not have been directly responsible.
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Did Tis kill her as well? Or as badly? Who knows . . . but wasn't that a bit stupid of him -- to try to kill a DD right there in his hotel room?
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The decision that LeTour and the audience has to make is whether or not to give credence to the psychic. If one buys into all that it can completely skew a perception of what otherwise might amount to coincidence or even nothing - randomly connected or completely unconnected events. That's always been my favorite aspect of Light Sleeper - how Schrader is able to cast doubt and suspicion based on what the pyschic says, and if that's BS or not and what the specifics of what actually went down are. Just a very interesting storytelling device.
shareI just don't buy Tis killing that young woman the homicide detective was inquiring about with LeTour. Why? Because, if you'll remember, Tis took a woman to the hospital who ODed. Like he said, he didn't have to bring her in, but he did, and faced questions from the police. This established a sense of decency to Tis. I mean, what, he killed some coked-up woman in the park and then brought another coked-up woman to the hospital? Doesn't make much sense, does it? And I'm also still convinced that he didn't kill Marrianne, that she did indeed jump after she was seen by LeTour in a horrible state.
This thing with Tis is a definite weak spot in the film. It just comes off that Schrader didn't think this subplot through nearly enough.
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The death of the girl in the park was an unrelated plot characteristic to LeTour's conscience, having to do with the sort of world he dabbles in, and the effects/outcomes his occupation (and product) have on either the people around him, and/or the tragic effects of the drug itself he sells.
I highly doubt Tis killed Marianne, sure Tis was a major slime-ball, but there's no doubt that Tis probably fled the scene/covered the suicide up so that he himself wouldn't have been arrested for drug possession or the suspicion itself to commit the murder. You have to remember he was already questioned by the police under that other drug-related OD incident at the hospital, so I doubt he would have wanted something like "this" to further discredit his chances of having some legal credibility for the future.
Marianne clearly committed suicide, she had lost her mom, went back into drugs, and after seeing LeTour show up at Tis's apartment that night, let's just say it was enough to make her even more grief-filled/anxious/depressed (her whole morale exposed as a charade). Drug-related suicides are more than common.
This isn't a simple movie, with a simple "so that's how it happened" type of plot, which makes you admire it even more.
Yeah, I'd say so. Tis doesn't want some girl ratting on his drug use/dealing. So when the young girl od'd and Dana Delaney probably threw another temper tantrum he just tossed her overboard and left his apartment. Tis is a rich Zurichian and probably wanted to see what it was like to kill again.
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I don't know if Tis killed her or not, but here is a bit of evidence he didn't do it. When Dafoe gives him the drugs right before the girl dies, Tis says, "that's what I love about doing busines with Sarandon's character, she always grinds the coke for you." or soemthing like that. As we see, Tis gets all his drugs from Dafoe, therefore all his drugs would be ground. But the detective that harasses Dafoe says to him the girl was found with a bag of uncut coke. This seems to imply that the drug person she was with wasn't Tis. Of course Tis could have got uncut stuff from other sources, but the fact Schrader wrote those specific lines for the characters seems suggest Tis wasn't the killer.
shareI thought that the porky was fishing when he demanded information. Implying that he suspected Defoe of involvement in a recent murder would be part of the deception. The odd thing was Tis bringing the goon squad in - he knew Defoe's character and they both knew enough to cause mutual trouble with the porkies. I think it was all about the milieu - people of the demi-monde, some going further some stepping back.
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Tis was in the hospital because he was there with Marianne. The sister was not so surprised to see the photograph of him.
In LeTour's mind, Tis has corrupted what he believed was the one good thing in his life that might offer him sort of redemption.
Marianne and Tis may have fought after LeTour's visit and he might have pushed her off but since we never see it we can only assume.
Defoe looks out of a window and below is a building with a flat roof, covered in refuse. Refuse was all over the pavements and alleys. Much of it was plastic and paper but some was human. I thought that it didn't really matter if she jumped or was pushed, because we were being shown a version of the naked city where people are as disposable as coke cans. The ambiguity made the film for me (in the gaps between getting the vapours over Susan Sarandon); dead women were a leitmotiv, his ex-girlfriend's mum, ex-girlfriend, the stranger in the park were negations of growth. At the end, Defoe doesn't want to deal drugs (death) with Sarandon any more, he wants to shag her senseless, like someone normal.
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Why does Sam Rockwell not have that disgusting mole removed from his face?...Could be cancer.
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