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Regarding Roma's monolgue with James Lingk in the Bar Scene...


What was Roma and Lingk talking about in the bar scene? What was the point to that monolgue ?
Roma sounded like he was taking in Riddles.

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That was the point really. Roma basically put Lingk, an emotionally weak man, into a trance with his dazzling, hynotizing monologue, luring him into a false sense of security. Only when Lingk was fully under his spell did he even bring up the idea of purchasing land

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THat's pretty much it

Although if you parse it out, nearly everything he said had to do with taking chances, investing to "learn about yourself" even if you lose money, because you don't keep any of it when you die, and "when you die, you're gonna regret the things you don't do"

In other words, it was a sales pitch disguised as philosophical musing

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That is it - and neatly put too.

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Roma was the top salesman. He could hook a mark just with inconsequential conversation "they say it's so hot out there that grown men etc etc", scraps of his (supposed)philosophy of life - appear the least salesman-like but gradually introduce talk about attitudes to risk taking, investing - all the while seeming disinterested. The Jonathan Pryce character was weak naive conventional under the thumb of a controlling wife and and wanted to hear about Roma's liberating-sounding philosophy of life, so different to his own. Roma contrived to make investing in real estate seem a liberating act, one thing Pryce could do without his wife's permission. Roma tricks Pryce into thinking that he could change his mind anytime, the cheque would remain in his desk - in reality it went straight to the bank for cashing. Another deal done and a Cadillac Eldorado for Roma.

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I love this film and think it's a great adaptation. However, this scene is probably better designed for the stage.

In the stage version we see three scenes in the first act. The first is Shelley trying to get Williamson to give him a good lead (and mentioning Roma as the top of the board). The second is Moss trying to get George to rob the office (Moss is clearly jealous of Roma while George holds him in some kind of awe). Then comes scene three: Roma and Lingk, except when we first see the play (and on subsequent viewings if we are willing to go with it) we don't know its Roma. Pinter is an influence on David Mamet and at first this scene feels Pinteresque. It seems out of place and is essentially a monologue presenting a philosophy on life. Maybe even a convincing one. It feels divorced from the previous two scenes. We might even start to think of it as an attempt at profundity ... And then near the end we get the line where Roma introduces himself to Lingk and we suddenly realise that this is the man we've been hearing about and that this philosophy is just sales spiel. If you listen to the audio play version (with Joe Mantegna as Roma) you can hear the audience laugh when he says his name and the joke is more apparent.

I think this film (and play) is the most successful realisation of Mamet's own apparent philosophy on life: Everybody has an agenda. The scene in the second act where Moss is laying into Roma is clearly fuelled by his jealousy of Roma but is also part of an act so Moss can leave and go work for Jerry Graff without arousing suspicion. The two combine and it becomes hilarious.

I don't understand why Mamet changed the original ending which underlined all this even more, where it turns out that Roma's pitch to Shelley about them working together is yet another con whereby Roma can get half of Shelley's sales (as his partner) but won't have to share his own. You realise that Roma must be angry that Shelley is seemingly going to win the contest after jag-off John blows his latest sale but is trying to get back on top.

I'm straying off topic but I've got to mention the final beautiful irony of the ending. George is the one person who makes a moral decision in the story (not to rob the office). As a result he's rewarded by being able to keep his job (Moss and Shelley are going to jail) and yet it seems clear that the best thing that could happen to George is that he leave that job. He does the right thing and keeps his job as a reward but keeping that job is poisonous. It's fitting he has the last line, saying how much he hates his job.

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cgrady, do you believe in the film that Roma is still trying to manipulate Shelly at the end or is he being genuine to him when showing resepect etc.

Forget about the play or everything you've read about Mamet's original intentions. I'm just curious to see how you perceived it in the film alone. Because I believe Roma is being genuine in the film. I don't really see enough evidence that he's going to try and steal half of Shelly's sales.


This has been an interesting topic on these boards. Many people believe Roma is just a total scumbag and has no respect for anyone including Shelly.

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I think Roma did genuinely like Shelley and vice versa.
Notice how everytime they had an argument with Williamson or Moss, they had each other's back.



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I agree Fast Eddie

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I was very familiar with the film before I read the play and it would never have occurred to me that Roma was trying to manipulate Shelley at the end. If I'd read about it as a suggestion I would probably have thought it an intriguing possibility but not really supported in the film.

But I can see a couple of suggestions in the film that it may actually be the case. The film cuts to Williamson looking surprised/suspicious whenever Roma says anything that supports Shelley. It could be interpreted that Roma has previously made clear a low opinion of Shelley and now Williamson is wondering what he's playing at by backing him up.

The other is the way that Roma's philosophising about how they are men living in a world of clockwatchers and bureaucrats so conveniently tells Shelley what he wants to hear. It subtly repeats Shelley's previous outburst against Williamson just ten minutes earlier where Shelley was asking if Williamson had ever been out 'on a sit,' calling Williamson an office boy. This does reflect a little bit an earlier scene where we can hear Moss change his tune to tell George what he wants to hear when George complains about their work not being right for the customer (Moss: 'I learned that you sell someone five cars over fifteen years, not just rob them blind', or something like it) when you can tell that Moss really couldn't care less about the customer.

This reading suggests that Roma isn't just a manipulative scumbag (which he is anyway) but something of a psychopath and really pulls out the rug from them having any kind of values, even corrupt ones.

Personally, I think Roma is telling the truth at the end. But the fact that the other is a possibility just adds another layer for me. I don't really feel we have to know for certain one way or the other.

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Great sale, cgrady

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It's just a bunch of ideas about life Roma had, some real, some made-up, that he thought would impress Lingk.

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