Being that they are so similar in the movie, did the badge give Doc a little edge over Ringo? Could it have made Doc feel like he was a better person and acting in the name of the law and good and could it have helped him win the 1 on 1?
shareOr was Ringo just slower?
shareIn the movie he was obviously a little slower since Doc outgunned him mano-a-mano, but in real life it probably would have been no contest since Ringo wasn't really a straight up ginfight kind of guy, and Doc was known for being rather quick & dangerous.
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I don't know that Doc was quick or dangerous. His reputation as a gunfighter has been extremely exaggerated over the past century or so.
In real life, Doc killed two or three people, ever. He killed Mike Gordon in Las Vegas, New Mexico, he killed Tom McLaury, and he may have helped kill Frank McLaury, although I'd give that kill to Morgan Earp.
My impression of Doc as a gunfighter is, he was no gunfighter. If he were, he would've killed Milt Joice, rather than fumbling around and shooting him in the hand, and Joice's partner in the foot.
Doc was a dentist who became a gambler. He was never a gunfighter, in the traditional sense.
Just my opinion.
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So far, so good.
I didn't get the impression that movie was trying to put that across, but I don't think someone would be in the wrong for taking that from it. I'm pretty sure the badge was strictly to reinforce Doc's alignment with the law in this encounter, as well as what he would do for his friend.
Liberals claim to love "others ideas", until they find out people actually have other ideas.
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It's just a conversation about what the author may have been thinking when he wrote this scene. Ease up troll.
shareAs I said in another thread, ntorres, Corky is what Josephine Sarah Marcus Earp would have called "a schmuck."
shareHis user name does have 666 in it. He must be the thread devil. What a hobby.
shareWhat a hobby.
He must be the thread devil.
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Bunch of IDIOTS talking as if this movie is fact
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I don't think so. I think Doc was just better, and Ringo basically always knew, or at least feared it. You can discern this from three key scenes. First is when Ringo meets Doc for the first time and they taunt each other in Latin. Then Ringo starts twirling his pistol -- he's posturing, trying to impress everyone, including Doc. But Doc, signally unimpressed, mocks him by contemptuously mimicking his gun twirling with the tin cup he was holding.
The second time is the "play for blood" scene, right after the Gunfight at the OK Corral, when an extremely drunk and angry Ringo tries to pick a fight with Virgil, Wyatt, and Morgan, and Holliday steps up when they refuse to take the bait. Ringo's anger and intoxication are both great enough to brush aside his usual caution at provoking the only man around with a reputation as a gunfighter as great as his own. He has to be saved by Curly Bill and the other Cowboys, who realize that Ringo's about to commit suicide; even if he is as good as Doc, he couldn't possibly take him in this condition.
The last is when Ringo challenges Wyatt, and Doc shows up in his place. Wyatt felt honor bound to accept the challenge, but Ringo, Wyatt, and Doc had all been sure that Wyatt wasn't good enough to prevail. So Ringo expects easy prey when he sees who he thinks is Wyatt approaching, but the cocky grin is wiped right off his face when he realizes it's Doc instead. When Doc makes it clear Ringo has has him to deal with first ("we started a game we never got to finish"), the now sober Ringo actually tries to back down. "I was just foolin' about" he says. "I wasn't" replies Doc, and that's it. Ringo's no coward. When he realizes Doc isn't going to let him back out, he steps right up, but the fact that he did want to back out tells me he wasn't sure he could take Doc. I think the badge just demonstrated Doc was determined to have it out, and no fear of legal repercussions was going to hold him back.
Darren...you are just talking about the movie...the thread and question is about real life and how it went down, we alla know he was faster in the movie, but is the movie showing the truth? that is what this thread is about.
shareHow can you be talking about real life? Doc Holliday didn't kill Ringo in real life. Court records Pueblo County, Colorado, show that Holliday was in Colorado at that time of Ringo's death. Buckskin Frank Leslie is a much better suspect if you suspect homicide, but Ringo's death was officially ruled a suicide, seeing as Ringo's boots were off (tied to the saddle, which people commonly did when making camp, to keep scorpions out), and he had a gunshot in the temple, and was found with his finger in the trigger guard of his own revolver, with one round expended.
shareOk then Darren...but your reply doesnt make any sense anyway cause everything you write is shown in the movie and no answer at all....I would answer OP yes...I think Doc got an advantage becasue of the badge cause he loved the idea of being a bad ass in the name of the law like Wyatt and that got Doc some extra boost.
shareWell written reply, Darren!
shareNo Doc was faster, as another poster has explained, all the scenes between the two show that Ringo has doubt that he can beat Doc. The badge was to provoke Ringo into actually dueling. Doc throws the badge at Ringo afterwards because he has no connection to it. The hypocrisy of Doc being in the right to carry out the same natural impulse that Ringo has enrages Ringo who is educated enough to understand the silliness of it all. If Ringo thought he could beat Doc, he would not have given Doc the out to walk away.
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