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great script ruined by shallow filmmaking


This could have been an all-time classic like Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction had if Tarantino directed it. Instead, Tony Scott did and as usual, directs it in that glitzy, superficial way of his.

True Romance is a weird film in that its script seems to suggest a fair bit of depth and complexity to its characters, yet the director never seems to notice or take advantage of them. Tarantino's screenplay presents a very honest depiction of a very shallow romance bordering on infatuation, yet Scott seems to misinterpret this as an account of true love.

When you really think about what Clarence does throughout the film, he is essentially an idiot. He falls in love with a girl solely based on the fact that she's a member of the opposite sex who shows an interest in the same things he likes, and goes out of his way to prove how much of a man he is by killing Alabama's pimp when it wasn't necessary. His only reason for doing so, was because an Elvis apparition told him to.

Clarence essentially becomes a criminal based solely on a superficial desire to be a bad boy. He lets his newfound romance (or should I say, infatuation) and success with killing Drexl go to his head into thinking he's some sort of master criminal, when all he's done before is work in a comic-book shop.

Yet, despite his clear wrongdoings, the film somehow stays on his side. Or rather, Tony Scott does. He shoots the love scenes with Alabama with utmost sincerity, and changes the script to give him a happy ending. In the original screenplay, Clarence actually dies in the shootout, and Alabama spends the rest of her life on the run as a criminal. Thus, giving validity to what I said about his character.

In spite of all this, this is still an entertaining film. Yet, I can't help but find it somewhat repugnant. Scott essentially took what was a very honest depiction of a relationship fuelled solely by intense infatuation that ultimately wound up with the two committing crimes, and ended up making a film that condones such behavior. I find that somewhat disgusting.

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I....agree.

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I disagree i think he does fall in love and yes by dumbluck gets the coke. But coke or no coke wld have killed drexl and still probably kinda gone on the run. I think deep down christian was always a criminal just with no means, now he has means ie bgd case of coke , i dnt think he had a superficail case to be a bad boy, he came across quite sincere in every action he made if he wanted to be a bad boy crim cld have just sold the coke a k atba time he wanted to get in a nd out and help his friend floyd only buy dumbluck did his plan become unravelled. Srry for bad spelling and punctuation im drunk as

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I don’t think the film condones Clarence’s stupid behaviour - he gets his father killed for example, his wife gets the living shit beat out of her, and he only escapes death by a micro-chance.

I do agree though that he rather awkwardly jumps from being a sympathetic low-status comic book and movie geek to a badass criminal, to the point that it’s hard to like him by the end. Perhaps that’s the point - by living out his fantasy he unwittingly turns into an asshole.

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The film is about a fucked up American dream.

People are poor and can't get anywhere. You have to sell drugs, be a whore, etc to make a living unless you want to go to school forever, etc. If you notice, they don't make much money in the end, but to them it's like a billion dollars, because they get to go on vacation and live it up a bit.

If you work at Walmart, you never get a vacation, watching TV is your vacation. So, you dad dying, getting beaten, killing people, it's all worth it.

That's one reason I love the movie.

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It’s worth your dad getting murdered to alleviate the boredom of working in Walmart?

What a bizarre and sociopathic point of view.

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That is the point of the movie.

A tough life where you can't get anywhere makes these things okay.

True Romance.

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No it’s not the point of the movie. Clarence never expected that his dad would be murdered and if he ever finds out then it isn’t during the main timeline of the film. It doesn’t factor into his choices at all.

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Yeah, but he still gets everything he wants. By the end, he's better off financially than he ever was after getting away with his crimes and gets to live happily ever after with his wife and son. If that doesn't condone crime, I don't know what does.

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None of that is worth his dad being executed.

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Does he look like he cares by the end?

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It’s quite possible that he doesn’t know.

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You really think he never found out in what seems like years later?

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If you’re talking about the epilogue where we see some brief shots of him at the beach with his wife and new kid then there’s absolutely no way you glean from that that he doesn’t care about his dad being executed, when the only evidence we have points to the contrary.

Your reaching is becoming absurdly desperate and collapsing in on itself, keep digging though, it’s entertaining to watch at least.

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You think I'm the one reaching here when you're the one making assumptions about what happens in between scenes without any evidence backing them up? Man, you crazy.

Yes, we saw him in a seemingly good relationship with his father, but judging by how his dad was most likely divorced from his mom a long time ago, it's safe to assume that Dennis Hopper's death won't shake him up too much. Plus, if he really was shaken up by it, he probably wouldn't feel comfortable letting Alabama call him cool for engaging in acts that ultimately led to his father's death. Ever think about that?

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It is absolutely safe to assume that the brutal murder of his dad by gangsters that Clarence brought into his beloved father’s life would utterly devastate him, and the fact that his parents are separated is irrelevant. He loves his dad.

He doesn’t know about his father’s murder when Alabama is calling him ‘cool’, remember?

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Who is to say his dad wasn't a mean SOB that beat the hell out of him on a regular basis when he was growing up, maybe he was deserving of being killed.

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There’s nothing in the film to suggest that, in fact he seems to be good friends with his dad.

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Nothing to suggest it, but then his son is grown in the movie we don't know what it was like when he was younger.

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Right, and the only information we do have is that he is friends with his dad, and therefore can conclude that he would be mortified to learn that his dad was murdered, and guilt-ridden to learn it was because of his careless, narcissistic actions.

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Really good post, OP. I like this movie very much, but have always had contempt for Tony Scott. The movie DOES condone Clarence because it has everyone in it saying HOW COOL he is. The cops LOVE the kid, fer cryin’ out loud. Only Christopher Walken has him pegged right (no surprise): “Your son—FUCKhead that he is—left his driver’s license at the scene.” And please note: Tony Scott is such a lazy POS that the climactic shootout in his flop Domino, which I guess was supposed to turn stick-figure Kiera Knightly into an Action Star, is IDENTICAL to the shootout climax in True Romance. Thanks for the info about the real ending. That makes a world more sense. No wonder Tony changed it.

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Thanks for the compliment, R_Kane.

If you would like to hear more about what I think the movie was originally about before Tony Scott hijacked it, check out my response to the post titled "the major flaw (besides Tarantino not directing it)". There, I lay out some of the subtexts and themes that the director missed out on in his pursuit of hyperkinetic visuals and overwrought, superficial emotions. You'll probably get a kick out of it.

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It's a great script not really ruined by anything. "True Romance" is a good movie.

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Something tells me you didn't read what I said...

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True Romance is a classic. More than a few people rate it as their favorite movie of all-time. Also, your analysis is all wrong. Clarence didn't become a criminal based on some superficial desire to be a bad boy. Where do you get that from? He was first pulled into it by his desire to extract Alabama from prostitution. In doing that, he lucked into a lot of cocaine, he tried to do what most anyone would do with such a windfall - turn it into quick cash. Changing the ending doesn't make the move worse. Reading your last paragraph, I am getting the feeling that you hate movies like the Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino, Unforgiven, Wild at Heart, and countless others because the protagonists commit crimes.

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You don't pick up on subtext in movies very often, do you? The whole point of Clarence killing Drexl is about much more than just him wanting to save someone from a life of prostitution.

If you go back and watch the scene where he confronts Drexl, you'll see that Clarence is purposely trying to upset the man by giving him an empty envelope and telling him that's all that he's worth. Why else would he do something like that? Clarence was likely trying to pick a fight by being the non-physical aggressor in that scenario, with the intent of prompting Drexl to throw the first punch so what he does in return can be justified as self-defense.

More importantly, as I said earlier, there was no need for Clarence to do such a thing. Yes, Drexl was upset that his girl skipped out on her job and cut contact with him, but Alabama's head was not on a price. He could've simply skipped town with her or perhaps just settled things differently with Drexl in a way that wouldn't have resulted in violence. Instead, Clarence chose to purposely instigate a fight, and that all goes back to his desire of being cool. Remember what he said about Elvis at the start? How he was a good-looking cat who died young while being heralded as the epitome of cool? That's exactly what Clarence wants to be, cool. Tarantino was making a statement about movie-obsessed, pop culture geeks who see the world only through the distorted lens of what cinema and fiction has to offer. The same could be said for his later decision to drive to LA to sell coke to Hollywood producers.

The difference between this film and the movies you mentioned, is that those films had a point. This one doesn't. All that subtext I just described is pretty much rendered useless by how Tony Scott changed the ending. In doing so, he wound up with an empty, shallow movie that more or less condones criminal behavior.

You should try actually thinking about the movies you watch sometimes. You'll learn a lot that way.

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It still feels like a Tarantino directed movie imo.

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