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I have to confess, I found Crumb and his wife kinda irritating


now first off I just want to say that yes this is a great documentary and yes Robert Crumb is a brilliant comic book artist

buuuuut they still kinda annoyed me

for one thing early on his wife complains about people building "air conditioned nightmares" (oh those air conditioners truly are for tools) around them, like ya know God forbid people live on property they don't even own, plus she dismisses them all as "rich rednecks"

and then at the end of the movie when they're moving they instantly dismiss the movers as "dumb football jock types", I mean come on certainly you can agree that that's pretty rude? I mean these guys ARE moving all their *beep* , maybe a little respect would be in order?

so yeah those are just a few things that bothered me


back in 98 I did a titty comedy for Skinemax. Sex Camp, ya remember it?

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Jesus, you'd think that anyone familiar with half of Aline and Bob's work should know that not expecting them to be nostalgic, bitter, cynical, judgmental misanthropes is like not expecting Chris Ware to be self-depreciating, or David Lynch to be weird, for that matter.

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Crumb and Lynch are apples an oranges.

Crumb is an immensely talented cartoonist, and a very important artist. Are you familiar with his body of work?

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Sorry, but to dismiss him as untalented sounds simply ignorant. Crumb is one of the most important artists of the 20th century. And with a career as long (more than half a decade now) as varied as his (he's done psychedelic work, humor autobiography, satire, blues biography, social commentary, existential ruminations etc.). He's pioneered so many modes of expression in his field and to have an opinion of him with just a cursory glance of a few of his pieces sounds totally unfounded to me.

Seriously, 'at least Lynch has talent'?! I mean, I personally don't like Jasper Johns from what I've seen of his work but I know he's been working long enough and that he's a pioneering force in American painting to have a general idea of where he stands. Sheesh, you people these days depress the hell out of me.

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Not sure why Warhol_Superstar got all bent out of shape over your reaction, but I agree with you. He wasn't the most likable person, and she often sounded like someone desperately trying to imitate him. It was annoying the way her vocal mannerisms sounded so much like his, as if she were trying a bit too hard to convey Robert's world view and cynicism. A sarcastic viewpoint might work great in a comic, but in a conversation/interview it can get pretty tiresome if there's nothing more than endless negativity.

She does seem to have talent, but while she's putting down people with money, she needs to remember that thanks to the money Robert has made off of his career, they can just pick up and move to the south of France, unlike the majority of people. Of all of his former girlfriends, wives, etc., she was the most annoying. But if Robert's happy, that's really all that matters.

We, however, are free to make whatever judgments we want if he chooses to put his life and family on film for public viewing. The point is that you don't have to like the artist to admire his work.

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Read our conversation again, Starchie, I was responding to Joe saying "At least Lynch has talent", implying that Crumb doesn't. What's the point of watching a documentary about a Cartoonist if you don't even understand his significance?

I don't care you make personal observations just know what you're watching for christ's sakes.

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Good point - to dismiss Crumb as not having talent is a huge mistake. Like him or not, Crumb was very talented and obviously influential, as is Lynch.

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What's the point of watching a documentary about a Cartoonist if you don't even understand his significance?


The point could be to gain understanding of his significance.

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I love his art but I surely wouldn't want to live with them. That probably goes for Beethoven and Van Gogh, too.

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I surprised the OP claims to like this film because he sounds like exactly the kind of regular person that Crumb keeps ranting about.

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Well, that's kind of the issue, isn't it? You said that the OP "sounds exactly like the kind of regular person that Crumb keeps ranting about."

Firstly, "sounds like" = assuming. You are assuming what sort of person the OP is based on his opinion of Crumb and his wife. Crumb and said wife do the same exact thing. I think he basically remarked that, oh, those movers won't know how valuable my albums are because they are obviously stupid meatheads. Did it never occur to him that maybe they are tired? Maybe they dislike their jobs? That they probably don't treat his albums any worse or any better than anyone else's crap? I can assure you, they treat just about everything the same way. That's a *beep* job to have. I'm not saying you should pity them but keep in mind that Crumb bitches a lot like his life is terrible when I'd argue that being a moving guy is worse. Less pay, no respect, and manual labor.

Secondly, what is a "regular person"? That's like society telling people what is normal and what isn't. That's hypocritical. That puts him right on level with the people he picks on. His unfair judgment of others is no different than the unfair judgment everyone else passes.

Mind you, I think the man has obvious talent. I just wouldn't go calling myself a fan of him. If you watched American Splendor, think back to the scene where Harvey is talking to Crumb on the street and Crumb QQ's about his life and Harvey tells him that his life isn't worse than his is. Crumb says something like, "Well, you got that right" or something. That one scene underlines what I thought when I saw Crumb - Crumb has a good life. He gets to do something that he enjoys and he's famous, well-respected, and well-paid. This is a man who doesn't seem to want to "sell out" by making movies but will also whine about how much someone made off a comic that he sold for only $600. Then he turns around and buys a house in France for just a few sketchbooks. It's contradictory but at the most basic level is the fact that he has it made and there are millions of people in the world who would kill to be where he is in life. I'm not saying he can't ever complain. I'm just saying that he needs to keep things in perspective. He made it. His life is great. Compare that to what a lot of other people have and just be a little thankful, geez.

Now, I know that this is just how he is. I accept that. I don't really care because he isn't a big part of my life. But to be fair, you do have to admit that he's extremely negative and while that's funny to fans, that's not actually considered healthy or likable. Spending time with someone who is always down would be such a drag and trying to make his bad attitude into something that it's not is just silly. Yes, he makes good points. But so do many others and without the 'tude. He's not a special snowflake, no one is.

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i noticed in the comic store he was dropping the comics back on the shelf. and was bending the rare poster the clerk showed him.


that's why he doesn't any business insulting careless movers. and it's harder to treat a 200 lb box of 78s with care than it is a comic that doesn't belong to you

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Many people walk around griping about stuff. When Crumb was griping about the possible mis-handling of his precious records, he was anxious about a lot of things and who could blame him?


And yes, I find Aline annoying. She has a smile that is like a mask.

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One of my favorite parts of this film was the interview with Aline. She talked about her mother and her relationship with Robert. Aline came off as funny, charming, and perceptive. I wish there had been more with her.

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