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How much was dad's fault?


It's mentioned that Crumbs' dad was a sadistic monster, and that's why these three retreated to drawing comics. On the other hand, they don't dive too much into that and also a sadistic father figure is not mentioned in any of the comics in the film. I don't know if other Crumb drawings had that that did not make the cut into this film. But do you think the father figure was tossed in there for poetic licence because it's hip to rip on father figures in film?

I ask because it's easy to blame the Crumbs' state on the father but really I think these guys were just screwy to the core and didn't need any help from dad in getting there. Also if Crumbs' father was at fault, you'd think he would be a recurring character in his drawings like his school bullies and crushes were.



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They say childrens personalities are set pretty early on but it is funny how this US Marine Master Sergeant, (you'd have to be pretty tough and strongly disciplined to get that far in the ranks of the Marine Corps) who fought in WWII no less, produced 3 puny, geeky oddball sons who would never have made it through basic training. Perhaps his forcefulness could have been part of what made them such introverts. But of course the mother can have an equal effect, apparentely she mollycoddled them but that's about that's said about her parenting.

About the Crumbs' homelife, it is stated in the film that the mother (who took diet drugs and amphetamines) and father would have blazing rows all the time and the father broke Robert's collarbone when he was five. That is quite shocking.

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I think the OP may be misreading this. I’ll give you an example of a similar situation. Now, mind you it’s anecdotal, but it may open another avenue of thought on this subject.

My father-in-law grew up with two other brothers, he was the middle child. Their father was a great lawyer and was establishing a law school in the area. The boys rarely spent time with their father, due to his career ambitions. When they were able to spend time with him, he was kind, but perfunctory and brief. They greatly admired and wanted to be like him, but they were given no discipline or paternal guidance.

Their mother was a detached, emotionless dilettante. She made sure all the boys’ needs were met, but she was, normally, too preoccupied by the current fad or event to give them any in-depth attention.

This turned the boys into a family within the family. They developed their own hierarchy, as most brothers do. The eldest was the ruler. My father-in-law was constantly challenging his tyranny. The youngest became the peacemaker. All seems pretty balanced, right? They grew up in a good family; they had two popular and successful parents, so they should have all turned out fine.

The eldest went to college, got a degree in advertising, began playing in a crappy Jimmy Buffet-esque band and started doing drugs. He continues this lifestyle, to this day. He is so thin, it’s saddening and drinks to vomiting at nearly every family event.

The youngest went to college and dropped out. He moved to California to become an actor, later returning, paranoid and delusional. He lived with his mother for many years, exhibiting all manner of strange behavior, to include drilling a peep-hole in his bedroom to see who was out there. He was certain Bill Clinton had people watching him. At another family event, we had a casual conversation on the porch, while I smoked. It all seemed pretty normal, until he started asking about my military service. He started inquiring, suspiciously, if I had ever worked with the Mossad, the Israeli Intelligence Agency. I tried to stay away from private conversations with him, after that.

My father-in-law, while semi-successful in his career, shares something with all his brothers, intense narcissism. They either don’t realize or care they what they say or do can affect those around them. They also have social issues, as none of them handle social occasions well. Whether it be the eldest, drinking to oblivion, the youngest retracting to a dark corner or in the case of my father-in-law, making insulting and thoughtless statements for, apparently, no reason.

We all wondered what happened in that household to screw these people up this much. Then, I saw Crumb. It opened my eyes up to a lot. I think it was the parents' fault. Sometimes it isn't what is done to you, but what isn't done to you.

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Denial about abuse is so strong in so many people that it extends to complete strangers seen only in a movie. He was an upstanding man! He was just strict! What's with all this trendy father-bashing? Damn liberals! Look, it's very obvious that the Crumbs' father (and possibly their mother as well) was abusive, and that's the reason they're all so troubled. I mean, they say it themselves, in the film. I wasn't there myself and I couldn't prove it, but it's easy enough to piece it together. At this point, don't most people have at least some idea of what an abusive family looks like, and what childhood abuse does to people?


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Probably none of it, the boys problem is biological, they all have Asperger's Syndrome, a form of Autism. The mid 20th century idea that our fundamental constitutions are the result of "a bad childhood" is psychiatric quackery from the "Blank Slate Theory" so popular amongst leftists who think some magic child rearing, or educational technique will usher in their utopia. Had the Crumb boys been raised in the perfect "Ned Flanders" household they would have turnout just as geeky as they did. Conversely, had Bill Clinton been switched at birth and grown up with the Crumbs, he'd have probably remained the "Slick Willy" successful womanizer hanging out with Skutch and the Gang in High School.

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I don't think it takes "magic" to give kids a little normal affection and attention and concern about their feelings as well as their physical well-being. When the mom is emotionally unavailable and the father abusive, the kids are going to be messed up. Yes, there was probably a genetic component as well.

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