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Wouldnt the Warden being a Christian be unlikely to kill himself?


Just thought that this part was weird because the movie shows the Warden Samuel Norton as a big Christian, even if he is a hypocrite in most ways, so him shooting himself to avoid going to prison seemed weird, because suicide is considered to be a mortal sin which is unforgivable in Gods eyes.

Norton would have known that he faced hell if he killed himself and been more likely to surrender and face trial and prison, could have easily blamed most of the corruption on Captain Hadley and the guards and maybe the other Wardens too, basically getting a good lawyer and getting off or at least trying to do so, but the Warden shooting himself is something that a man like him wouldnt be likely to do, even if he would be screwed by going to trial and ending up in his own prison or another, getting cast down with the sodomites.

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How many Catholic priests knew it was wrong to interfere with boys or impregnate their housekeeper? There's a big difference between righteous and self-righteous. Norton was the latter. His 'faith' was rhetoric not true belief. Anybody can go to church and spout scripture.

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or impregnate their housekeeper?


Damn! Some of those priests have it pretty damn good if they have that kind of game!

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You must have missed the deleted scene, a short one, where Norton has the gun in one hand and the bible in the other and, alternately looking at one then the other says, "Shoot myself and go to hell, or turn myself in and go to prison for a long time and be raped and beaten every day by the inmates. And probably go to hell anyway. Hmmm ... which should I choose?"

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LOL!

Seriously though, I'd imagine that pretty much anyone involved with the criminal system from the police, lawyers, judges, prison guards, wardens, etc., must wonder what a hell prison would be for them beyond the standard hell that being locked up is.

Pretty terrifying if you really think about it. If Norton had, then the choice to off himself might not have been a difficult one.





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So you're OK with the corruption, murder and all other manner of heinous crimes. But suicide is a step too far?

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The point the OP is making is that most Christian denominations consider suicide an unforgivable sin worse than any other even taking another life.

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He's a fake Christian. He only uses Christanity as a facade to appear pious and righteous towards the prisoners he looks down on. Norton was about as bad as the Pharisees Jesus preached out against.

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Well said.

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I haven't read the book, so I'm assuming that Norton's character is the stereotypical Stephen King idea of the hypocritical Christian (I hope King doesn't believe all Christians are hypocrites). If this is the case, Norton is not a true Christian, he doesn't really believe or only believes what's expedient, and so his suicide would make sense under the circumstances.

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Norton was actually an amalgam of several wardens mentioned in the book.

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He followed his beliefs just the same way everyone else does, however they see fit.
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When's the last time you've seen a Christian or Christianity in a film or TV portrayed in a positive light? But Darklord's post is exactly right.

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When's the last time you've seen a Christian or Christianity in a film or TV portrayed in a positive light?


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Pretty sure the Warden isn't a real Christian.

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Everything was hitting him in that moment. People get overwhelmed, and sometimes they break.

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