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Why didn't they allow him a fair hearing?


In the court scene past the 1 hour and fourty minutes, why did the Senator and co deny Sam Rothstein a fair hearing and why couldn't they look at or at least explain why they refused to look at the FBI reports?

Is that even a correct and legal way to handle this procedure?

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Remember the scene where Ace pissed off Pat Webb, a high ranking politician?

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Yes, of course I do.

But what I mean is, the way the court hearing went, with how Senator and the likes just outright REFUSED to look at the FBI reports presented to them, is that even an acceptable and legally allowable way to handle such a court case?

And is Pat Webb so powerful that he can even manipulate the courts of law and allow the judge and the jurors to dismiss and ignore evidence?

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And is Pat Webb so powerful that he can even manipulate the courts of law and allow the judge and the jurors to dismiss and ignore evidence?


Yes, he was. Politicians were and always will be more powerful than the mob.

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lol. Politicians are their own kind of mob.

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I think simply because Ace had a lot on these politicians and they needed to get rid of him. Vegas is corrupt as hell. I mean, the (former?) mayor was a mob lawyer. In the film, as mentioned above, Ace denied to hire back the dumbass nephew slot floor guy of the cowboy boss.

Basically the long term Vegas people wanted it for themselves and run their own mafia and kick out the Chicago people, and they did. The mob now in Vegas are just more legal and less murderous but as corrupt and evil.

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Casino takes many liberties with the truth, and doesn't pretend to be anything other than fiction. However, these hearings sometimes happen just like this. This is exactly what the gaming commission was set up for, as a legal means of weeding out the guys they don't want to holding gaming licenses.

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The book explains that his hearing took place over time. It wasnt just a one time thing. And he wasnt giving any of the right answers as to the problems with his past. When it became obvious they couldnt give him his license, they just cut the hearing short. The thinking was "why put the guy through this when his organized crime contacts are diqualifying him already?"

Lefty had a number of bookmaking violations and a couple of game fixing charges? Convictions? I dont remember exactly. But it wasnt like in the movie where it was purely political. There were rules to keep organized crime out and while those didnt work very well at first, they did over time. No way Lefty/Ace could get a license with all of his issues.

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Has that video of the IRL denial been re-posted somewhere yet?

(lulz, Harry Reid was the head of that committee. Too bad Lefty Rosenberg didn't have a rogue exercise band handy!)

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Is it even legal to outright refuse to look at evidence, in that case, copies of the FBI reports, that would defend him?


The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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Is it even legal to outright refuse to look at evidence, in that case, copies of the FBI reports, that would defend him?


I'm not sure if it's legal or not, but since they're the gaming commission, they had the power to summarily deny the application as they did. Of course, he had the right to sue, which apparently he was pursuing, thinking he was going to take it all the way to the Supreme Court. Then they could decide if it was legal or not.

But the bosses back home didn't want him to take it to the Supreme Court; they wanted it all to quiet down. The people on the gaming commission probably thought that as well, as they also had a friendly relationship with the bosses. The bosses didn't even care if he had a license, since he could have taken the food and beverage job. In practice, he didn't really even need his license to do what he was doing, as explained early on by Andy Stone. Some of them worked for 20-30 years in Vegas and never had a license.

As far as Pat Webb was concerned, his beef was personal, but Sam wasn't playing ball, so he may have had some latitude in seeing Sam humiliated by not getting his license. But that's as far as he could go. He couldn't kick Sam out of town (as he originally wanted to do), and he wasn't going to interfere with Sam running the casino, since that would have stepped on the bosses' toes. That's why Remo was getting irritated, since Sam was getting upset over the license and Pat Webb. He thought Sam was losing his marbles.

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Remember, DeNiro and Alan King knew from the start that he would never get his license. That's why they came up with the plan to change his title so his application would go to the back of the line.

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Dude, did you even watch the movie?!!!
- In the beginning he clearly spells out he'll never be able to get a licence due to his 24 arrests on bookmaking and gambling, plus association to Nicky.
- He also says that they (and all casinos) HAD to keep employed a whole bunch of useless cowboy yokels because they were juiced in to countless state officials (senators, judges, police, etc). Once he couldn't stand one in particular anymore and fired him, he earned himself a county commissioner as a sworn enemy, and that tanked his hearing (such board has almost limitless discretion as to giving or denying gaming licences, NOBODY is entitled by law to them). As he said, that is THEIR state, not Ace's.
- Nicky showing up on the news 24/7 as Las Vegas's crimelord (and the unavoidable mention of Ace being his childhood friend) sure didn't help at all.

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