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need help i am writing a paper about the gulf war


i haven't seen this movie in a really long time, i simply need to know if at the beginning of the movie during the tank scene if any Iraqi forces are surrendering to the american troops? also, was it just me or did the stand off between the americans and the iraqis not make any sence? I mean I think all of those Iraqis could have done something to kill the Americans during the night. There were 100's of Iraqis in the morning scene and they still couldn't kill the Americans.(i know it's just a movie)

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Seems a bit unconvincing,I don't really remember anything about firefights during the ground offensive,what Iraqi forces remained were in a pitiful state and surrendering.In fact it was just one massive POW movement.

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That's because the firefights weren't covered by the news media. One of the main complaints at the time (I know, because I worked with BBC guys who were out there) was that no-one was allowed out on the lines to actually report on the conflict. Most of them were 'reporting' from the press camp in Qatar. There were a lot of small skirmishes, which is where the US casualties came from.

The lack of reporting during Desert Storm and Desert Shield was one of the factors that lead to the process of mass 'embedding' during Enduring Freedom and after.

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uhh you know Bravo-two-zero was a crock of *beep* right? like its been PROVEN as fasle...

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Actually, quite a number of Gulf War vets think the movie is very well done (including those who worked on it). Best keep your generalizations to yourself.

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So a film is valid only if it is entirely non-fictional? Doesn't that disqualify pretty much every war movie ever made?

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Not true, Daisho. Many war movies are useful tools for the study of history because they are amalgams of the war experience. It is not always so important to study specifics of battles as it is to study the experience. War movies are also useful for telling us about how wars are perceived. Remember that history is not driven so much by events as by how people perceive events. If you don't believe me, look at any college history catalogue and you will see a wide range of history in film classes.

Platoon, for example, is entirely fiction but most Vietnam veterans I've talked to about it agree that the platoon portrayed in the film serves as a useful cross section of the Army in Vietnam as they experience a broad range of typical actions in the war. I'd doubt that any one platoon was so diverse or experienced so much in such a short time, but it serves as a useful amalgam of the war experience.

That's the real test of a war movie for studying history--not is it true? but is it believable? Could it have happened? As a veteran myself, I can say that I find Courage Under Fire highly believable, if not actually factual.

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This is purley speculation, and as it's a film it can't really be deciphered too well, but above someone posts that the Iraqis would have attacked the downed chopper in the night and then kill all of the crash survivors.

A reason why the Iraqi's may elect not to attack in the night is simple, and has two parts.

Night Vision.

Had the Iraqi's began a movment towards the helicopter, and not known that the radio was down, they could have been expecting CAS (Close Air Support) for the downed Huey, probably in the form of the AH-64 Apache, which has all sorts of equipment to make it combat ready for night. Also, many black hawks can be combat loaded and made very effective, and come in on night runs also. While these can be used in the day time (and they were in the film) at night the enemy would not be able to easily escape the CAS, where as in the day they can move quicker and get closer to any safe-havens.

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The chopper crew could have had nvgs, and as the effectively blind iraqis would start to stumble towards the chopper in the darkness, they would have been easy pickens for any well trained SAW gunner or anyone with an M-16 and moderate marksman skills.

I think a better question would be why the Iraqis all stood in a general cluster, instead of trying to send units to outflank and destroy.

Of course it's all speculation.

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Taken from the "goofs" section:
Incorrectly regarded as goofs: While Dr. Mary E. Walker was the first woman to be awarded the Medal of Honor (in 1866, for bravery as a surgeon), Capt. Walden would have been, as stated, the first woman to be nominated for the medal "for performance under fire".

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