History v Hollywood


What always struck me as BS in this movie is the helo was a Red Cross wearing aircraft. As such, according to the Geneva Convention, no one one the chopper is supposed to fire unless they are fired upon AND they are carrying patients/trying to protect their patients. If they do fire (een to return fire), then they are essentially flying under false colors and are now combatants rather than enjoying any non-combatant status that medics normally claim. This is technically equivalent to a spy wearing anything other than a uniform - that is partly why spies are considered "so heinous"; they aren't "playing by the rules" of warfare where one can identify the combatants and the non-combatants by the uniforms.

Meg Ryan's character also really screwed the pooch here as she is the one who instigated the "bomb drop" of the "improvised molotov cocktail" (auxiliary fuel bladder ignited by a flare fired from at least 100 feet above the tank) - something that she, as an officer, should really have been concerned with in terms of Articles of War/Geneva Convention violations.

Speaking of which, that bomb drop was just ridiculously unbelievable. When they dropped it, they were no more than fifty feet above the tank and they weren't shot to pieces by all the infantry on the ground there? Kind of stretches the bounds of credibility for me. Not to mention the flare gun shot - from a moving helo at a distance of at least 100 feet and a with 3-D altitutde calculation thrown in (plus the swirling downdraft of the chppoer wash). But it's Hollywood.

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Well if killing ragheads was his buisiness,it shouldn't have been too difficult what with the Syrian,Egyptian and Saudi forces in there as well.Maybe some of the Kuwaiti,Bahrainian and Saudi civilians he would have come across for some extra points perhaps?

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Ragheads, huh? *beep* bigot.

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Less Than Zero

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Geez, man... unbunch those drawers. It's not like they think any better of us.


"Madam, we must have waffles. We must all have waffles forthwith."

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Wrong.

Geneva Convention 1: For the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field, Geneva, 12 August 1949
Chapter III Medical Units and Establishments

Art. 19. Fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service may in no circumstances be attacked, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict. Should they fall into the hands of the adverse Party, their personnel shall be free to pursue their duties, as long as the capturing Power has not itself ensured the necessary care of the wounded and sick found in such establishments and units.

Art. 22. The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19: (1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.

The Geneva Convention deliberately avoids giving specfic examples of what is excessive and what is reasonable. So it is not an unreasonable interpretation for a medical unit to regard it as reasonable behavior to open fire on opposing troops to protect wounded personnel even before they have actually begun medical care. The Geneva Convention does not specifically disallow it: it therefore implicitly allows it, as it is understood that if a medical unit cannot use force to save troops from an advancing force, it will be severely compromised in its ability to actually protect those troops.

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For rmwhittaker101, HOOAH!! Very well put! I wish more posters would get their facts straight before they put their foot in their mouths (or in this case in their keyboards). Either you are (or were) in the military or you looked the info up FIRST. In either case, thanks for the correct info.

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dude its a movie...get over it

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What is wrong with accuracy in a movie?

And I don't mean accuracy like: "those weren't really American M1A1 tanks in the movie, they were British Centurions, therefore this movie is inaccurate, flawed to the core and dumb".




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And on top of that, hueydoc and rmwhittaker101, we all KNOW Iraqis would NEVER fire on someone they weren't supposed to.
The Geneva Convention should be followed, but not taken to the extreme where American (since we seem to be the only ones who follow it) troops are hamstrung.

Refusal to believe does not negate the truth.

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