Queen Elizabeth's visit to Ireland
Anyone here think Mick would have approved of it?
shareAre you joking? He would of shot her dead if she set foot on Irish soil.
Majority of the south were happy to see her in Ireland, Mick Collins is turning in his grave.
Are you joking? He would of shot her dead if she set foot on Irish soil.Absolutely disagree. He supported anything that represented progress. It was he himself who agreed a treaty that very obviously lead to the partition of the country for the sake of having something to build on. He showed he was capable of compromise and realising what was necessary. Just my opinion. What would shooting the Queen have accomplished?
Majority of the south were happy to see her in Ireland, Mick Collins is turning in his grave.
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Well they were forced into signing the treaty, but yeah I think hed be grand with her coming over anyway
shareOh of course sorry I see how my comment came across. He signed it through fear of 'a terrible war' that he felt they weren't prepared to win. However after the misery of The First World war could Britain afford to engage in such a war of subjugation and still keep face on the world scene? That's debatable so I wonder if it would ever have happened. To me Michael Collins believed it to be a progressive step. Too many people in the Irish cabinet wanted to jump from A to Z immediately disregarding the process that was required to gain independence from a country that had ruled them for 800 years.
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"He signed it through fear of 'a terrible war' that he felt they weren't prepared to win."
Collins signed it because he thought the IRA didnt have the men and power at the time to take on England and the civil war in the North that would of followed had Ireland became a 32 county all Ireland, but dont ever doubt had Collins not been killed he would of tried to liberate the North.
"However after the misery of The First World war could Britain afford to engage in such a war of subjugation and still keep face on the world scene? "
Exaclty my thoughts which is probably why Irelands war of Independance worked, England was busy fighting other wars and didnt have the resources at that time for an all out war in Ireland.
"Too many people in the Irish cabinet wanted to jump from A to Z immediately disregarding the process that was required to gain independence from a country that had ruled them for 800 years."
But....he didnt achieve all out independance, the North or Ireland is still under British rule, as I said above there is no way true Republican revolutionaries like Collins, Connolly, Pearse...ect would of allowed the north to remain this way, it was never going to work on the Nationalists that were abandoned in the North, hence the troubles.
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If they want to live in Ireland they should move there , then everyone could be happy.
Isn't Northern Ireland still Ireland?
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So Northern Ireland wasn't annexed by the British then?
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And a big what-if in NI politics.....
Collins negotiating with a Brian Faulkner (Sunningdale) type...one of those Irish fantasies..;-)...
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From what I've read , since ancient times, Ireland was invaded by the English.
And they somehow manage to settle in the Northern side of the island.
But that don't make those lands English.
Even if the Northerners are predominantly Protestants, they're still Irish.
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I guess it wasn't a question just a big what-if that I threw out. I've always thought about that when it came to Northern Ireland affairs, i.e. suppose Collins had a chance with his opposing counterpart (say a modern day Faulkner who also 'compromised') to move closer to an 'agreement' at the time and perhaps avert all that dismal bloodshed up there in those years after the "Treaty". Collins initially was an extreme hard-liner but then we see him move to a position as a compromiser since he was a pretty shrewd politician and knew what he could "get" considering political circumstances at the time.
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So ... if I move the southern Ireland and I'm Romanian will I get stomped on?
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"You're right, the Nationalists in Northern Ireland are the cause of the Troubles. If they want to live in Ireland they should move there, then everyone could be happy."
Or was the cause of it loyalists' hatred and intolerlance of catholics?
They already live in Ireland, dont be a retard.
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